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Hi, I have a little background with Schwinn products starting around 1958 when my family became Schwinn Dealers. In 1978, I went to work for the Schwinn family in bicycle distribution on the west coast, and continued until after 1992 when Scott Sports Group purchased the assets of the company. As you know it was a very turbulent period with many changes. The beginning of the end of the classic Schwinn period most of you are interested in was the UAW strike at the Chicago factory in the 80's. The strike was settled, but almost all of the production began to be sourced from different vendors and not solely produced at the Chicago factory. I toured the Chicago factory, and attended the Factory training school as a 12-year-old kid.

During the 1950-60-70's the factory paint line was a Ransburg system. It was a large, automated conveyor line which paints the parts hung from the conveyor as they went thru the paint line. It had a water fall on the wall to catch the overspray. The paint, and the parts were electrically charged to make the paint magnetically attract to the parts with all of the curved tubular surfaces, much like powder coating is done today. They did a "hand spray gun" with the color around the crank housing and kickstand area first to make sure it got good coverage in the automated system. The logistics of building all of the models, and painting all of the different parts, times all of the colors was amazing. Remember, they did not build the parts to put into a storage warehouse, they were built on a "just in time" system, and then were installed on the bicycles going down the assembly line. Keep in mind they were building frames, painting parts, chroming parts, building wheels, boxing the bicycles and putting them into railroad box cars at the rate of over half a million each year (some years more). They had women hand pin striping the painted fenders. As a kid working in the family dealership, I always wondered when assembling the bicycles why some Schwinn Bicycles had pin striping on the "inside of the fenders". I saw firsthand during my tour that they practiced getting the correct amount of paint on the pin striping brush by using the inside of the fenders instead of a old phone book like common with a sign painter/pin striper.

They had many different colors and shades of colors over my years. Just like the automotive manufacturers it was a way of keeping things new and different. For example, the Dark Radiant red/green/blues of the 50-60's became lighter Flamboyant red/blues/sky blue/lime green/campus green/burgandy/coppertone, etc. in the 60-70's models. They are not the same colors as the 50's colors, but the paint process was the same. It was an Aluminum Undercoat, then the Transparent Color was applied over the top. Much like the Candy Colors popular on hot rods. Chestnut was just another color shade that was shot over the Aluminum Undercoat. None of these colors were ever clear coated. They all went through a heated baked on process. I think the process has been proven by time that the Schwinn Chicago bikes had a very durable paint job looking at some of the original paint vintage bikes today. I do not know who the paint vendor was, I could only guess it to be Sherwin Williams or maybe Ditzler (PPG today). All of the original factory paint colors were available to Schwinn dealerships for resale touch up. They sold large and small spray cans, and also sold brush-on enamel in half pint cans. During the 1970's someone came up with the bright idea of making paint sticks (like crayons) in all of the factory colors of that time. The paint sticks dried out and became hard. They would be a great collector item today, but only if you had the original packaging.

After the UAW strike, Schwinn began to look at other vendors that could product for their dealerships. Cespal in Hungary built some cruiser models, Murry of Ohio built the popular juvenile models, and a very small bicycle company in Tiawan was given the task of producing a lugged frame lightweight ten speed at a low price point. This was an urgently needed product for the dealerships at the time. Schwinn felt so strongly about this they sent their head engineer (Frank Brillando) to live in Tiwan at this company to spearhead this new volume project. In the end, the company did a great job of getting the models to Schwinn dealerships, but they had one major problem. One of the first popular colors on The World model was a deep dark maroon red. The transparent color was applied over a white undercoat. Any time a dealer put one of these new World models in his front window display and sun hit it, the bikes faded to white on the side to the sun. The color went away FAST like in a month or two, it was not UV safe like Schwinn's normal paint. Frank Brillando completely rebuilt this company's bicycle paint system and brought it up to Schwinn standards. The company name is one we all still know today Giant Bicycle and was built by Schwinn's Engineering.

I believe that the Paramount bikes were "hand spray" painted. I have never seen a Terra Cotta Schwinn model that the paint job looked good, they look light covered. It was a very difficult color to run in a mass production line and was quickly discontinued. However, one of the most beautiful Paramounts I have ever seen was painted Terra Cotta and it looked great. I even saw a Paramount track tandem in Bakersfield at Vincent's in Terra Cotta, it was stunning.

John


Thank you for that history John. And welcome to the Cabe!

There must have been many different paint suppliers during Schwinn's existence, but I don't believe Sherwin Williams or PPG was ever one of their paint suppliers. Here's some touch up Schwinn paint and it looks like it was made by a smaller outfit and not a major well-known company.

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Thank you for that history John. And welcome to the Cabe!

There must have been many different paint suppliers during Schwinn's existence, but I don't believe Sherwin Williams or PPG was ever one of their paint suppliers. Here's some touch up Schwinn paint and it looks like it was made by a smaller outfit and not a major well-known company.

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I'm sure your correct.

The aftermarket paint vendor for touch up paints sold in retail dealerships was not the same as the vendors for the bicycle factory production line. The touch up paints were quality, but it was very difficult to get a good match on any of the transparent colors. Of course all the 70's opaque colors were easy to match like, kool lemon, sunset orange, black, opaque red, kool blue, kool green (yuck!), etc.

I've been in the building shown on your mailing label.

John
 
Hi, I have a little background with Schwinn products starting around 1958 when my family became Schwinn Dealers. In 1978, I went to work for the Schwinn family in bicycle distribution on the west coast, and continued until after 1992 when Scott Sports Group purchased the assets of the company. As you know it was a very turbulent period with many changes. The beginning of the end of the classic Schwinn period most of you are interested in was the UAW strike at the Chicago factory in the 80's. The strike was settled, but almost all of the production began to be sourced from different vendors and not solely produced at the Chicago factory. I toured the Chicago factory, and attended the Factory training school as a 12-year-old kid.

During the 1950-60-70's the factory paint line was a Ransburg system. It was a large, automated conveyor line which paints the parts hung from the conveyor as they went thru the paint line. It had a water fall on the wall to catch the overspray. The paint, and the parts were electrically charged to make the paint magnetically attract to the parts with all of the curved tubular surfaces, much like powder coating is done today. They did a "hand spray gun" with the color around the crank housing and kickstand area first to make sure it got good coverage in the automated system. The logistics of building all of the models, and painting all of the different parts, times all of the colors was amazing. Remember, they did not build the parts to put into a storage warehouse, they were built on a "just in time" system, and then were installed on the bicycles going down the assembly line. Keep in mind they were building frames, painting parts, chroming parts, building wheels, boxing the bicycles and putting them into railroad box cars at the rate of over half a million each year (some years more). They had women hand pin striping the painted fenders. As a kid working in the family dealership, I always wondered when assembling the bicycles why some Schwinn Bicycles had pin striping on the "inside of the fenders". I saw firsthand during my tour that they practiced getting the correct amount of paint on the pin striping brush by using the inside of the fenders instead of a old phone book like common with a sign painter/pin striper.

They had many different colors and shades of colors over my years. Just like the automotive manufacturers it was a way of keeping things new and different. For example, the Dark Radiant red/green/blues of the 50-60's became lighter Flamboyant red/blues/sky blue/lime green/campus green/burgandy/coppertone, etc. in the 60-70's models. They are not the same colors as the 50's colors, but the paint process was the same. It was an Aluminum Undercoat, then the Transparent Color was applied over the top. Much like the Candy Colors popular on hot rods. Chestnut was just another color shade that was shot over the Aluminum Undercoat. None of these colors were ever clear coated. They all went through a heated baked on process. I think the process has been proven by time that the Schwinn Chicago bikes had a very durable paint job looking at some of the original paint vintage bikes today. I do not know who the paint vendor was, I could only guess it to be Sherwin Williams or maybe Ditzler (PPG today). All of the original factory paint colors were available to Schwinn dealerships for resale touch up. They sold large and small spray cans, and also sold brush-on enamel in half pint cans. During the 1970's someone came up with the bright idea of making paint sticks (like crayons) in all of the factory colors of that time. The paint sticks dried out and became hard. They would be a great collector item today, but only if you had the original packaging.

After the UAW strike, Schwinn began to look at other vendors that could product for their dealerships. Cespal in Hungary built some cruiser models, Murry of Ohio built the popular juvenile models, and a very small bicycle company in Tiawan was given the task of producing a lugged frame lightweight ten speed at a low price point. This was an urgently needed product for the dealerships at the time. Schwinn felt so strongly about this they sent their head engineer (Frank Brillando) to live in Tiwan at this company to spearhead this new volume project. In the end, the company did a great job of getting the models to Schwinn dealerships, but they had one major problem. One of the first popular colors on The World model was a deep dark maroon red. The transparent color was applied over a white undercoat. Any time a dealer put one of these new World models in his front window display and sun hit it, the bikes faded to white on the side to the sun. The color went away FAST like in a month or two, it was not UV safe like Schwinn's normal paint. Frank Brillando completely rebuilt this company's bicycle paint system and brought it up to Schwinn standards. The company name is one we all still know today Giant Bicycle and was built by Schwinn's Engineering.

I believe that the Paramount bikes were "hand spray" painted. I have never seen a Terra Cotta Schwinn model that the paint job looked good, they look light covered. It was a very difficult color to run in a mass production line and was quickly discontinued. However, one of the most beautiful Paramounts I have ever seen was painted Terra Cotta and it looked great. I even saw a Paramount track tandem in Bakersfield at Vincent's in Terra Cotta, it was stunning.

John

This is some amazing information. I work in automotive paint industry and picked up restoring old Schwinns as a hobby. I strive to reproduce Schwinns look from start to finish but just using newer technology.
 
Thank you for that history John. And welcome to the Cabe!

There must have been many different paint suppliers during Schwinn's existence, but I don't believe Sherwin Williams or PPG was ever one of their paint suppliers. Here's some touch up Schwinn paint and it looks like it was made by a smaller outfit and not a major well-known company.

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In Automotive there basically is 2 applications. You have OE which is the process used by the manufacturer. Aftermarket being the process used to repair damage in a local body shop. In Aftermarket you could actually be using the same name brand paint that OE is using but you will never use the same paint. The materials being supplied to the OE are designed to be used in a production setting using Automated machines to apply products. Aftermarket has to figure out how to duplicate the results using a completely different procedure and material. Take Harley for example. I was told and never researched it but OE from what I understand uses PPG and is close to powder coating. Aftermarket has to have permission to attempt to produce a color from the manufacturer. For example Harley has a new color and ppg Aftermarket would like to have it available if something were to happen and a shop needs to repair it. Aftermarket doesn't need permission to match a color. Example someone brings in a Harley needing repairs there isn't a formula but the shop sends a part off for PPG the create a color. It's actually possible that OE could be using multiple brands of paint. The body of a car could have let's say PPG and the plastic parts Axalta (Dupont). Process of metal parts and plastic parts use completely different methods. That's why typically bumpers never match from the factory. One paint code in Automotive can have multiple variations in the color. It's part of the aftermarket side to stay on top of them. I have been working on creating a list standard colors for Schwinn using base coat clear coat system in ppg. Which due to process Schwinn used on applying can be very difficult. Also I've been trying to do it without a tinted top coat application to keep the process simple. This part is the real challenge. It would be easier for me to create a color using candy tints or tinted top coat applications but would be harder to keep the color consistent in application.
 
Schwinn's Five Step paint step process during the 1960's 70's was.

Phosphate Cleaning of the metal
Red Oxide Primer on bare metal
Aluminum Undercoat (if it was any of the transparent colorsfor the top coat) (no aluminum undercoat, on the opaque colors)
Top coat paint color of your choice
Final Baked On step.

The Paramount's were pinstriped "after the Baked On" step. You will find many of the early 60's Paramount's today with the pin strip arrows worn off the top tube. If done today, I'm sure they would be cleared over, as in BC/CC, but that's not the way they were done.

John
 
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