Share and Question Late 20’s Winchester Original Paint Motorbike

[cr250mark]

I recently Aquired this Winchester
Love the profile of this bike.
I am fond of early Motorbikes
Man neither I’m a horrible researcher but I cannot find a lot of info and or factual history on this bicycle or manufacturer manufacturer.
Killer chainwheel - first ive seen - any info would be great
Leather mudflap
Locking stand
Model A hub tells me most likely 20’s
Tiny black pins. - unusual pattern. Not typical box or block striping
Any idea what the Red Black and White flag on seat tube Is ?
First of this kind of grips I have had come on a bicycle that i have owned , different , cool bee hive pattern , very Cool
Please any info would be great and or appreciated
Thank you
Mark

 

[Archie Sturmer]

Like other firearms manufacturers, Winchester expanded into hardware and bikes; I forget which hdwr store, but one may have been E.C. Simmons of St. Louis, MO. https://www.castironcollector.com/simmons.php
"1922 - Firm sold to Winchester Repeating Arms.
"1934 - Great Depression causes Winchester to file for bankruptcy.
The historical connection does not mean that bicycles were manufactured by Win.
The Simmons ads show sprockets with the 7 space invaders vectoring inward.
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/teens-military-frame.156489/#post-1057305
I have believed that those were Snyder Harris Rollfast parts; due to connection in the Hyslop catalog.
We have also seen the later Winny badges by D.P. Harris.

 

[bike]

I have owned maybe 15 Winchester badges but have yet to see the paper that connects them to firearms, unlike Illion NY Remingtons...

PS you keep coming up with the nice bikes!

 

[markivpedalpusher]

Nice bike Mark!

 

[OldSkipTooth]

Nice bike! I’m wondering if the fork is bent on just a tad?

 

[hoofhearted]

They don't get much more beautifuller that this one.

You are the fortunate son, today.

….. patric

 

[cr250mark]

Nice bike! I’m wondering if the fork is bent on just a tad?

When I pulled front fork and wheel out to look
Man it looks straight by eye
If it is it’s a tad !
I put up a perfect side view
Fork looks straight to upper tube.

 

[cr250mark]

Anyone see this logo or stamp on seat tube
Red , black and white.

FYI. Thanks for feedback
Looking a little more at hardware bicycles (EC Simmons , Shapleigh and or true value )
Trying to find a little more info.
I also have not seen any attachment to Winchester Arms manufacturer
When referring to the cabe site from the past
There is very little about these Winchester s that pops up.

 

[bricycle]

There are two versions of this chain wheel nearly identical. One is a Victor the other was on a Montgomery Ward Hawthorne No.1. Could have been same maker.
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/sold-early-hawthorne-frame.39167/

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/toc-1899-hawthorne.152439/

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/sundays-show-and-tell-4-12-15.72042/#post-445266

 

[cr250mark]

Thanks Bri.
Very similar on Hawthorne but slightly different.
Cut outs around crank arm different
This may not matter and may only be a difference In age ( man. Date)
Thank you
Mark