Teens military frame?

[sm2501]

Thoughts on this one? Badge holes 2-15/16” centers.

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[Archie Sturmer]

Early Shelby? (which was mid/early 1920's, at earliest)?
2-5/16" is a Shelby indicator, as are the flush head set cups.
Shelby also used an British thread for axle/chain adjusters.
Relatively fat bridges between the stays makes me think Shelby too.

Would look nice with a "Lindy" head badge.

 

[Archie Sturmer]

Oops, fifteen 16ths. A little over 7/8”.
Perhaps an E.C. Simmons badge might fit; banner, laclede, etc., more of the turtle shaped outline. But then who made E.C. Simmons bikes (and when).

Features that may look something like a Shelby could be explained by the company’s adoption or adaptation of others’ designs; as Shelby entered the bicycle market when others were just about giving up.

 

[Iverider]

I have the large version of this frame. It has orange paint under the over paint with green darts at the head tube. I bought a Simmons Westminster badge for it and it fit perfectly. I'll post some pics when I get a chance.

 

[Archie Sturmer]

The Banner was less fancy than Westminster or La'Clede.

 

[Iverider]

I don’t have a great pic of the rear brake bridge, but it’s straight and the seat stays are straight as well.

 

[Archie Sturmer]

Simmons sold double bar bikes pre-war.

And it appears that they may have changed frame suppliers, over the years.

Note the earlier reinforcing band where the truss bar joined at the seat tube/mast.