Toc Ladies Frames Id Help Needed.

[rustNspokes]

I have a lot of projects so I may eventually sell one of these, not sure which one at this point though.

Do you plan on selling the green frame???

 

[weebob]

spotted this today

 

[locomotion]

spotted this todayView attachment 350182

never seen this one myself, but have seen a lot of Cleveland built bikes,
I wonder if the size is different?
the holes spacing could probably help, do you have measurements?

 

[weebob]

I found it here..vintagecolumbiabikes. under head badges, http://www.vintagecolumbiabikes.com/index.html

 

[locomotion]

I found it here..vintagecolumbiabikes. under head badges, http://www.vintagecolumbiabikes.com/index.html

I had seen the Niagara badge before but not that one,
oddly enough on that headbadge page, both the curved Niagara and Westfield badge only have 2 badge holes!!!!

 

[rustNspokes]

Didn't Pope absorb a bunch of brands (including Lozier/Cleveland) somewhere around 1900ish?

 

[locomotion]

I don't know when ABC (Pope) absorbed all the brands, but it Canada it was in 1899 that CCM was "created" and it "absorbed" most Canadian manufacturers/branch including, but not limited to: Cleveland, Columbia, Massey, ect

 

[rustNspokes]

I found this photo is another cabe thread, its a mens sprocket, but it's the same crank and sprocket design. The closest match I've found is a cleveland model 40 that sold in the hartung auction. My usual go to Archive.org's search seems to be having some issues.

 

[rustNspokes]

1898 Model 40, the highest grade ladies' Cleveland, is one of the most notable productions of the year, with specifications, in part, as follows. 28-inch wheels, with blue spokes; new hubs of barrel pattern; 63 gear and 6-1/4 inch new style oval shaped cranks; 21 or 23-inch frame; 2-1/4 inch drop crank hanger; flush joints; curved rear upright stays; improved Burwell bearings, with new automatic self oiling device; new Cleveland hardened block and pin chain, 3/16 inch; flanged sprockets of new design; 4-3/4 tread with distance between ball races and crank shaft bearings increased, front sprocket overhanging; chain pull binder; fancy grips;new Cleveland rubber pedals; side plates of one piece nickeled on both sides, dust proof; forward L saddle post; black or green enamel, nickel finish. Price, $75

 

[locomotion]

I found this photo is another cabe thread, its a mens sprocket, but it's the same crank and sprocket design. The closest match I've found is a cleveland model 40 that sold in the hartung auction. My usual go to Archive.org's search seems to be having some issues.

yes both definitely pre-1899 Cleveland sprockets