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Finally riding a big boys bike
No - my Dad's looks like this one. I would have guessed it was an early 70's model, but definitely an upright rider, not a drop bar racer
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Top of the Line Sears (Austrian Puch)
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juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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thank you for the clarification and photo
had not considered the possibility of it being a dreiganger
there may be a date marked upon the shell of the cycle's Fichtel & Sachs rear hub
lighting appears to be provided by a Soubitez Nr. 89 combination dynamo and headlamp
safety tip: prior to usage please make sure there is adequate engagement between stem and steerer; ~7cm is the bare minimum for safety...
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oops: reread text and see that this is an example rather than the actual machine
...was wondering why someone in the Tar Heel state would have a cycle licensed in California
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I stumbled onto a Puch Bergmeister and I'm wondering what year it is. Does anyone know ?
juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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the last year for this model of Weinmann Vainqueur 999 brake caliper was about 1963
the details of the cycle's Campag Gran Sport rear mech can also be a helpful date bracketing clue
it was introduced in 1952 and enjoyed a rather long production life with differing iterations
you can look at them at velobase.com and see where the example on the bicycle lines up as relates to time
someone certainly made a fine hatchet job of converting the cycle from a gents to a ladies
pretty much valueless save for value of fittings...
original colour was most likely an orangish gold flambouyant
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the last year for this model of Weinmann Vainqueur 999 brake caliper was about 1963
the details of the cycle's Campag Gran Sport rear mech can also be a helpful date bracketing clue
it was introduced in 1952 and enjoyed a rather long production life with differing iterations
you can look at them at velobase.com and see where the example on the bicycle lines up as relates to time
someone certainly made a fine hatchet job of converting the cycle from a gents to a ladies
pretty much valueless save for value of fittings...
original colour was most likely an orangish gold flambouyant
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Jesper
Wore out three sets of tires already!
I have been trying to determine the differences of the Gran Sport rear mech for awhile and when they were modified. The lower pivot (P) spring housing is different on at least 3 units that I have (all obtained as loose units, so no bikes to use as a reference). I need to photo side by side to detail the differences. Disraeli Gears is somewhat informative on this front, but there needs to be a more definitive timeline as to when specific differences arose and when they were being used on specific (known year) bikes. I will post photos on a separate thread to show some of the differences and maybe others can give examples of bikes (specifying the mech's differences) that originally came equipped with these mechs and provide a better estimate of the years in which the changes occurred.
juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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Ollie O -
the Steyr/Puch products of this era have one unique dimension it is good to be aware of
the steerers are 26.0mm in outside diameter
this means that the headsets are special
the dimension is sometimes referred to in the trade as "Austrian size" although it is employed by no other manufacturer
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Ollie O -
the Steyr/Puch products of this era have one unique dimension it is good to be aware of
the steerers are 26.0mm in outside diameter
this means that the headsets are special
the dimension is sometimes referred to in the trade as "Austrian size" although it is employed by no other manufacturer
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Here are some more pics and points in the effort to evaluate the totality of the bike :
The rear brake is not Weinmann 999, so that puts more in question that the bike is, or is not, pre 1964.
The front derailleur doesn't have the chrome plating that the bike higher up in this thread has.
The rear brake is not Weinmann 999, so that puts more in question that the bike is, or is not, pre 1964.
The front derailleur doesn't have the chrome plating that the bike higher up in this thread has.
O yeah , and the chain doesn't have any link to take it apart. After 5 days in vinegar it's almost rust free. I think there's some cracks in it.
juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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Ollie O
front brake caliper definitely original
rear brake caliper definitely not
(btw it is also a 999; the red label which sat in the recess on the outer caliper arm face has gone missing; it proclaimed this information)
estimate cycle to come to us from the time window of ~1958-1963
guesstimate that earliest importation of Bergies to the U.S. would have been late 1950's
other clues to the earliness of your example in addition to the front brake caliper are the headplate and the fork
fork constructed with a track style crown and round blades with dimples on the inside for tyre clearance
you should be able to narrow the date of your example by browsing back Sears catalogues which are posted online. a Sears badged version of the Bergie was sold for a good period.
back Sears catalogues are archived online by year. suggest to begin with the year 1958; no need to look past the year 1963.
chain lacks master link because it is a derailleur chain
a master link would hang up as it went through the chain path on a derailleur geared cycle
derailleur chains come apart (and go back together) with a tool called a chain rivet press
it is likely the cycle's drive chain comes from either the firm Union Frondenberg or Wippermann
their logos look like this -
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Ollie O
front brake caliper definitely original
rear brake caliper definitely not
(btw it is also a 999; the red label which sat in the recess on the outer caliper arm face has gone missing; it proclaimed this information)
estimate cycle to come to us from the time window of ~1958-1963
guesstimate that earliest importation of Bergies to the U.S. would have been late 1950's
other clues to the earliness of your example in addition to the front brake caliper are the headplate and the fork
fork constructed with a track style crown and round blades with dimples on the inside for tyre clearance
you should be able to narrow the date of your example by browsing back Sears catalogues which are posted online. a Sears badged version of the Bergie was sold for a good period.
back Sears catalogues are archived online by year. suggest to begin with the year 1958; no need to look past the year 1963.
chain lacks master link because it is a derailleur chain
a master link would hang up as it went through the chain path on a derailleur geared cycle
derailleur chains come apart (and go back together) with a tool called a chain rivet press
it is likely the cycle's drive chain comes from either the firm Union Frondenberg or Wippermann
their logos look like this -
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