Unknown Moto B - Who is Maker

[oldspoke]

Hello Friends,

A buddy has asked for help to I.D. the maker of this Motobike frame . I assured him that the C.A.B.E. was the best place to post the question.

The badge is a "Red Bird" and appears to be a hardware store private label - Freman or Treman King Co. of Ithaca N.Y.

Serial # J 31597 {?}

Wheels are 26" replacements and incorrect.

Possibly handle bars and cranks as well .

Thanks for any help.

An approximate date would be of help too.

Glenn

 

[Kurt S.]

Glenn,

Check this link, and see if the Goold Company of Canada makes sense.
https://archive.org/stream/cihm_26126#page/n213/mode/2up/search/Red+Bird+++Bicycle

Kurt

 

[redline1968]

Looks to be mid to late 20's pope made bike.

 

[David Brown]

It is not a Goold Brantford red bird bike or CCM which took over Brantford Red Bird

 

[oldspoke]

Thanks Kurt, Redline, and David,

I thought that this I.D. would be easy . I guess not as there were many similar bikes.

Your opinion, Redline, that it is Columbia could be true . A cycle built by Westfield .

Again thanks !

Glenn

 

[bricycle]

I like the square truss bolts!!!

 

[fat tire trader]

It is not a Goold Brantford red bird bike or CCM which took over Brantford Red Bird

Hi David,
I'm not familiar with Goold Brantford. Were they bought by CCM? I have a CCM Red Bird.
Thanks,
Chris

 

[David Brown]

Goold Brantford Red Bird was made in Brantford Ontario.When CCM was formed in 1899 about 5 Canadian bicycle company's got together to form CCM CCM made the Red Bird as one of there lines.

 

[oldspoke]

I like the square truss bolts!!!

Yeah, I would have thought this style of truss bolt would reveal the maker of this frame.

Did Westfield/Columbia/Pope use this ? What I have seen here on the CABE is a style with a single nut where the two
rods meet at the top of the headset lock nut.

It remains unidentified .

 

[mickeyc]

I like the Westfield-Columbia idea. The offset attaching holes for the front badge are typical for the Westfield and Columbia bikes.

Mike