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TieDye

I live for the CABE
Aug 24, 2015
1,003
919
Henderson, MI, United States
#21
If you're regretting painting the light, don't beat yourself up for it. This is a learning process. What you could do is relic the light, which means to rough it up a bit and get some rusty patina back. You can scuff it up with sandpaper, hit it with something to give it some paint chips, etc. then apply either bleach water or vinegar and water on it until it gets the patina you are happy with. The relic process level you do is up to you. Nice bike!!
 
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SKPC

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Feb 2, 2018
998
5,616
62
Utah - United States
#22
Slow down on this bike my friend...slow down. As FM65 mentions, the patina represents the true value. Think of yourself as a conservator. In terms of the metal components, this is not discussed very much. What is the "best way" to clean metal?. Needs a separate thread some day. Hubs and spokes and all the other plated bits get loaded up with debris and should be cleaned off. How much to remove is debate-able. Not with a badge though. No debate. The other bits, IMO, should be cleaned of all the road debris completely. Perhaps a soft toothbrush and a light solvent would work better and have less potential to scratch than a brass metal brush that I advocated above earlier... These particles contain solvents and metals that are picked up from the road, and continue over time to have destructive qualities that continues to deteriorate the metal over time. I advocate cleaning ALL the debris off of these parts to stop the deterioration for good. Then coat them with linseed-oil(wipe it completely off afterwards!!) the result is true containment of deterioration.... Some will disagree with me I know, and I would like to hear them chime in about it. In the end, most agree do as little as possible. I am a bit horrified you painted the light to be honest, this was hopefully your only mistake here so far...
 

WetDogGraphix

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jul 29, 2015
2,621
6,494
West Coast
#23
I worked on the front hub today and did some polishing of the front wheel. The wheel is painted the same as the bike. The spokes cleaned up well too. This was my first time working with a front fork system like this. What did people do back then when they had to remove the tire? Everything has to come off just to remove the wheel. Is there a simpler method?
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The correct answer is....No.
 

BLK80SLT

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jul 25, 2017
52
244
59
Earlville, IL, United States
#25
I agree what you have all said about maintaining the old look and patina the bike has. The only thing I have painted and planned on painting was the light, and I wish I wouldn't have. I painted it ivory and came out nice but it's too nice for this bike. I was mainly concerned with the rust eating through the thing eventually and wanted to stop it. I'll get creative and make it look old and worn. I'll post pics of it when finished.

If I get the fork straightened, they may have to use a torch, won't they? That would require painting it afterwards. Who could do work like that? I may bring it to Yellow Jersey by Madison, Wisc. Andy did some excellent paint and brazeon work for me last year, and he could probably handle something like this.

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TieDye

I live for the CABE
Aug 24, 2015
1,003
919
Henderson, MI, United States
#26
I agree what you have all said about maintaining the old look and patina the bike has. The only thing I have painted and planned on painting was the light, and I wish I wouldn't have. I painted it ivory and came out nice but it's too nice for this bike. I was mainly concerned with the rust eating through the thing eventually and wanted to stop it. I'll get creative and make it look old and worn. I'll post pics of it when finished.

If I get the fork straightened, they may have to use a torch, won't they? That would require painting it afterwards. Who could do work like that? I may bring it to Yellow Jersey by Madison, Wisc. Andy did some excellent paint and brazeon work for me last year, and he could probably handle something like this.

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Forks can usually be straightened by using a Park Tool fork straightener. There are also other means that don't involve a torch. My husband has fixed several.
Deb
 

BLK80SLT

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jul 25, 2017
52
244
59
Earlville, IL, United States
#28
Forks can usually be straightened by using a Park Tool fork straightener. There are also other means that don't involve a torch. My husband has fixed several.
Deb
Maybe I'll bring it to my local bike store and see what they say. Thanks for the tip.

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BLK80SLT

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jul 25, 2017
52
244
59
Earlville, IL, United States
#29
I'm in the Chicagoland area so I'm sure I can find someone.

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WetDogGraphix

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jul 29, 2015
2,621
6,494
West Coast
#30
I worked on the front hub today and did some polishing of the front wheel. The wheel is painted the same as the bike. The spokes cleaned up well too. This was my first time working with a front fork system like this. What did people do back then when they had to remove the tire? Everything has to come off just to remove the wheel. Is there a simpler method?
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You have to remember that during the time this bike was made, there wasn't a lot of disposable income like today....
I remember when I was a kid, you didn't even have to remove the tire for a flat.....you just popped off 1 side of the tire, pulled out the tube, found the leak, and got your patch kit. You picked your shape, clamped that metal piece in place, lit it on fire, and walla! fixed. You may have had 20 patches on that tube and it might be years before you would ever need to remove the wheel.....it was a different time. Enjoy the bike...those front ends ride nice when they are adjusted right. Enjoy......
 

george jaime

'Lil Knee Scuffer
Jul 9, 2019
17
26
49
fort fairfield maine
#33
Slow down on this bike my friend...slow down. As FM65 mentions, the patina represents the true value. Think of yourself as a conservator. In terms of the metal components, this is not discussed very much. What is the "best way" to clean metal?. Needs a separate thread some day. Hubs and spokes and all the other plated bits get loaded up with debris and should be cleaned off. How much to remove is debate-able. Not with a badge though. No debate. The other bits, IMO, should be cleaned of all the road debris completely. Perhaps a soft toothbrush and a light solvent would work better and have less potential to scratch than a brass metal brush that I advocated above earlier... These particles contain solvents and metals that are picked up from the road, and continue over time to have destructive qualities that continues to deteriorate the metal over time. I advocate cleaning ALL the debris off of these parts to stop the deterioration for good. Then coat them with linseed-oil(wipe it completely off afterwards!!) the result is true containment of deterioration.... Some will disagree with me I know, and I would like to hear them chime in about it. In the end, most agree do as little as possible. I am a bit horrified you painted the light to be honest, this was hopefully your only mistake here so far...
ya i clear coated mine,probably shouldn,t have,lost value but i do like it

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BLK80SLT

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jul 25, 2017
52
244
59
Earlville, IL, United States
#35
I rebuilt the rear hub yesterday. My first time with this type of New Departure hub so I watched some YouTube videos. I thought I did everything correctly but after assembling it, I can't tighten it properly. There's a lot of play in the gear. Also, I can spin the gear counterclockwise. Shouldn't that engage the brake and not allow it to spin? Like I said, it's all new to me and I'm hoping I did it correctly. There's a bike store not too far from me that deals a lot in older bikes. He has a Schwinn museum. I'm going to take it there tomorrow along with the bent fork and see what he says.

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BLK80SLT

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jul 25, 2017
52
244
59
Earlville, IL, United States
#36
i just noticed that this thread has an "Urgent" flag. Does anybody know how to remove that? When I started the thread I didn't specify it was urgent.
 
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Euphman06

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Aug 17, 2011
3,034
2,477
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#37
Did you use tapatalk? Does that to me as well. People get mad at the urgent thing thing but its the softwares fault

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BLK80SLT

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jul 25, 2017
52
244
59
Earlville, IL, United States
#38
I do use Tapatalk. I'm not seeing it now. It must have been removed.

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BLK80SLT

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jul 25, 2017
52
244
59
Earlville, IL, United States
#40
It's amazing what you find under all the dirt and grime when you clean, polish and wax it. It's too bad there won't be a big WOW factor when it's done and I give it back to my uncle. He really hadn't seen it in 60+ years except for the 10 minutes it took me to tie it to the back of my car after I got it down from the rafters.
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