Wartime Schwinn New World Bikes - We Know You Have Them - Tell Us About Them!!

[Kramai88]

I started the rehab on this one. BFGOODRICH badge serial number J01687. I guess that makes it a 42 to 44. All the parts are black out. As you can see the front and back rims do not match but both have black out hubs. I know this is crazy but could they be original? I know it probably just got changed at some point but with it being a war time bike it made me wonder

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[Kramai88]

I started the rehab on this one. BFGOODRICH badge serial number J01687. I guess that makes it a 42 to 44. All the parts are black out. As you can see the front and back rims do not match but both have black out hubs. I know this is crazy but could they be original? I know it probably just got changed at some point but with it being a war time bike it made me wonder

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[Kramai88]

I started the rehab on this one. BFGOODRICH badge serial number J01687. I guess that makes it a 42 to 44. All the parts are black out. As you can see the front and back rims do not match but both have black out hubs. I know this is crazy but could they be original? I know it probably just got changed at some point but with it being a war time bike it made me wonder

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[Miq]

@Kramai88 So much better without all the blue paint! Great job! I will add it to the chart. The later I and the J serial bikes have had a lot of black out parts. You own a nice wartime "victory bike". Schwinn may not have been allowed by the govt. to do war time production of new bike parts, except for cycle trucks, but they certainly assembled a bunch of New World bikes with frames they had (on hand?) and black out parts available those years. Does anyone doubt that now? How may of these bike do we need to find?

Thanks for adding another one.

 

[Miq]

I noticed that your BFG badge is the newer style than the one on my 41 BFG New World. @BFGforme Does this make sense from what you've seen and now Kramai88's bike?

Top Row = Prewar
Bottom Row = WARTIME & post war.

The two different colored wheels is really odd. Not sure that's legit. But I do think the 1 bar stay and 1 wire stay attachments for the front and rear mudguards is factory. We've seen some serious variation in that during the war. Yours is the earliest we've seen with both styles on the same bike.

Here's the wartime - post war chart with @Kramai88 's New World added. Let me know if you want to edit anything. Thanks!!

 

[Miq]

Got some serial number pics from @rennfaron of a pair of his and hers black New Worlds he owns. It got a few of us thinking about the odd hand stamping we've seen on the 1940 three piece crank New Worlds. Specifically, @vincev 's men's maroon bike is a 1940 three piece crank New World but it has an "I" serial number that does not fit for this year. Here's the pic we have for @vincev 's BB:

We have it listed as I5384.

With the exception of the white 1939-40 NW Racer, that @rennfaron now possesses , all the 3 piece crank versions with 4 digit serial numbers start with D. Here are some other examples:

Big Moe D5440

rennfaron's black New Worlds w 3 piece cranks:

Not as easy to read, but 1motime's 1940 NW D4607

The thing that sticks out is that the "D" stamp does not look right. It is smaller than the digits and looks like it is made from two stamps struck on top of one another. Is it an "I" with an "O" combined with it, or a backwards "C"??? It's especially clear on the black frames above.

Here's a close up of Big Moe's combo stuck "D":

I see an "O" with an "I" on top of it. It isn't lined up very well so you can see the two different letters. Same with renn's black serials. To me it looks like they are trying to make a D using two other stamps like this:

@vincev I imagine your 1940 New World is not right at your fingertips. When the weather is good again or you get a wild hair, is there any chance you could take another look at your 3 piece crank BB and see if there is any evidence of a light "O" stamp hiding with the "I" too? It sure would make a lot more sense if your 1940 four digit serial numbered bike with 3 piece crank started with one of these I/O combo "D"s instead of an I.

It's also interesting to note that the other bikes built this year that were tourist bikes (1 piece cranks) were built using a different frame on what appears to be a different line. The smaller BB used with the 3 piece cranks on these frames was not serialized using the machine stamper for the tourist frames. The machine stamped tourist bike frames also start with the letter "D" but they are followed with 5 number digits and the D is a normal letter D stamp.

Here's the chart with the 1940 serial data for comparison. @vincev 's bike is really out of place with it's I serial in 1940. I haven't added @rennfaron 's black D serial bikes yet...

 

[SirMike1983]

We should have the chart by itself as a sticky thread in the Schwinn lightweights forum - doesn't need to be discussion, just the chart as an editable sticky.

 

[vincev]

Got some serial number pics from @rennfaron of a pair of his and hers black New Worlds he owns. It got a few of us thinking about the odd hand stamping we've seen on the 1940 three piece crank New Worlds. Specifically, @vincev 's men's maroon bike is a 1940 three piece crank New World but it has an "I" serial number that does not fit for this year. Here's the pic we have for @vincev 's BB:
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We have it listed as I5384.

With the exception of the white 1939-40 NW Racer, that @rennfaron now possesses , all the 3 piece crank versions with 4 digit serial numbers start with D. Here are some other examples:

Big Moe D5440
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rennfaron's black New Worlds w 3 piece cranks:
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Not as easy to read, but 1motime's 1940 NW D4607
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The thing that sticks out is that the "D" stamp does not look right. It is smaller than the digits and looks like it is made from two stamps struck on top of one another. Is it an "I" with an "O" combined with it, or a backwards "C"??? It's especially clear on the black frames above.

Here's a close up of Big Moe's combo stuck "D":
View attachment 1101822 I see an "O" with an "I" on top of it. It isn't lined up very well so you can see the two different letters. Same with renn's black serials. To me it looks like they are trying to make a D using two other stamps like this:
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@vincev I imagine your 1940 New World is not right at your fingertips. When the weather is good again or you get a wild hair, is there any chance you could take another look at your 3 piece crank BB and see if there is any evidence of a light "O" stamp hiding with the "I" too? It sure would make a lot more sense if your 1940 four digit serial numbered bike with 3 piece crank started with one of these I/O combo "D"s instead of an I.

It's also interesting to note that the other bikes built this year that were tourist bikes (1 piece cranks) were built using a different frame on what appears to be a different line. The smaller BB used with the 3 piece cranks on these frames was not serialized using the machine stamper for the tourist frames. The machine stamped tourist bike frames also start with the letter "D" but they are followed with 5 number digits and the D is a normal letter D stamp.

Here's the chart with the 1940 serial data for comparison. @vincev 's bike is really out of place with it's I serial in 1940. I haven't added @rennfaron 's black D serial bikes yet...
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Heres a better pic.........

 

[Kramai88]

The other New World I have has been restored, not by me. I don’t know what may have been used as far as different parts during restoration. The serial number looks like I 3760 but the original owner wrote it down as “D” 3760. It’s hard to tell with the new paint.

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[Miq]

Heres a better pic.........


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@vincev you made me a happy man with your new pic! That makes a whole lot more sense. The I turned into an I/O combo D and the 3 we originally had is really a 2! Your D5284 serial bike is quite at home with the other D serial 3 piece crank bikes from 1940. Thank you for helping us piece this together with info from your collection. I have corrected the chart entry for your bike.

We should have the chart by itself as a sticky thread in the Schwinn lightweights forum - doesn't need to be discussion, just the chart as an editable sticky.

OK. Should we PM an Admin or how could I make that happen?

@Kramai88 Thank you for adding this restored bike! The original owner had the right serial info IMHO. Your bike looks like another I/O combo D serial bike from 1940 with a 3 piece crank and smaller BB. The bar stays on the mudguards are replacements for the very easily broken wire ones used until some time in WWII. Your other BFG badged NW is from this transition era when both were used, and even has both on the same bike. Cool additions!!!

I moved vincev's entry and corrected the number, added Kramai88's restored bike, and started to add the two black bikes from rennfaron to the chart since we have already been using the serial info from them:

 

[vincev]

@vincev you made me a happy man with your new pic! That makes a whole lot more sense. The I turned into an I/O combo D and the 3 we originally had is really a 2! Your D5284 serial bike is quite at home with the other D serial 3 piece crank bikes from 1940. Thank you for helping us piece this together with info from your collection. I have corrected the chart entry for your bike.



OK. Should we PM an Admin or how could I make that happen?

@Kramai88 Thank you for adding this restored bike! The original owner had the right serial info IMHO. Your bike looks like another I/O combo D serial bike from 1940 with a 3 piece crank and smaller BB. The bar stays on the mudguards are replacements for the very easily broken wire ones used until some time in WWII. Your other BFG badged NW is from this transition era when both were used, and even has both on the same bike. Cool additions!!!

I moved vincev's entry and corrected the number, added Kramai88's restored bike, and started to add the two black bikes from rennfaron to the chart since we have already been using the serial info from them:

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Mystery solved.lol Funny how that didnt show up in other pics.

 

[Miq]

@vincev It goes to show you that a picture says a thousand words, but sometimes those words are wrong. You can't believe everything you see on the internet, can you?

Thank you for revisiting it. If you didn't look again, we'd still be wondering.