I've had a few messages from @Arfsaidthebee about the New Worlds in his collection. He has 5 of these beauties and sent pics and info that I'm adding to the thread.
Here are some great pics he took of his 23" black wartime bike with blackout braces that we had in the chart above. It is serial J08200:
Also has blackout ND Big Arm = Brake coaster and came with 'War Tire" marked tires. Really neat victory bike!
Arfsaidthebee also has two 1948 New Worlds. This one is so clean! Serial number E60020 No blackout parts, EF BB, bought from @Larmo63
This looks like another 1948 that has a few missing parts and modifications but the frame and braces are post war. EF BB with serial E20400 is in that 1948 zone.
Arfsaidthebee also has two interesting blue New Worlds that are pre/wartime.
Serial number D54422, Schwinn Superior rims, Whirlwind rear tire, blackout rear sprocket, front/rear brakes, wire braces in rear, locking fork
NOT EF BB:
The Blackout rear sprocket is odd. The D serial and NOT EF BB and rest of the bike make me think it is a 1940, but why use a blackout sprocket in 1940? Rear hub is a 3-sp Sturmey Archer (not blackout). Also has a locking fork.
It's a little hard to tell from the pics and being black, but it looks like Arf's J serial #'d beauty has the full blown EF head tube. The SN stamping is a lower number than Capt Nemo's too. Here's what a full on EF Schwinn head tube looks like for those that are not aware. It's made from two pieces of flat steel and the nubs for the top and bottom tube joints are punched out so when finished the tube joints look fillet brazed.
Note how the head tube is stamped out for the top tube EF to the head tube.
@GTs58 Nice pics! How they gave the appearance of fillet brazing when they formed the nubs is interesting. It's hard to tell from the pics how far out the nubs are formed and where the joint to the tube starts. On the frame that looks like it got sanded, is that darker vertical looking marking the EF joint for the bottom tube?
I got some more pics and info from Arfsaidthebee. I corrected/added some stuff above but ran into the 20 attachments limit Here's some more pics of his blue H serial bike:
Serial number H53984, 19" frame, NOT EF BB, flat rear braces attach to axle (not original), wire front brace, built-in seat post clamp
He picked up these mudguards that are perfect for this bike.
@Miq It's somewhere where the downtube was sanded. Nice job there! lol Not sure how far out the nubs were when they first started this process. I'll guess the down tube joint starts very close to the head tube at the bottom were the taper ends and the top is further out so a square cut tube will meet the nub.
Note in that picture above that some work had to be done to fit the top bearing cup.
@GTs58 Those dwgs make it clear now even if the nub length is slightly different.
Stamping two pieces of steel and EF them must have been a lot cheaper than drawing seamless tubing and sounds a lot less labor intensive than hand brazing the joints. The evolution toward higher and higher volume at increased efficiency is clear.
I thought I sent in the info on the one I bought last month on ebay: Frame, fork and both mudguards only.
I believe it to be 1942 J99657 EF BB; WIRE braces. No parts exist that would been blackout (unknown) One more funny thing: it has the vertical head badge holes. could it have been a B F Goodrich New World? Painted over with black. I will do some careful paint removal to determine original color.
Hi Alan, Thanks for the info on the New World frame you have! I added it to the list along with some info on a bike that @Siestabikes had found in this thread 1940s New World.
Would it be possible to send pictures of the parts you have Alan? There are always other things we can learn from seeing the pics. How many wire braces are on the rear mudguard? Your bike is very close in numbering to bikes that have only one rear wire brace. What sections of the BB were EF? Some bikes close to yours have brazed chain stay joints but EF seat tube joints.
Looking forward to hearing more about what you find out about the bike.
I don’t know for sure but I can imagine lightweight “victory” bikes being what they concentrated on when they were building the small number of bikes during those years. They were supposed to be a way for people to conserve gas and still commute without using a lot of steel like a new car. Making a balloon bike with tanks and accessories would not make sense.
The Paramount would be another lightweight they would have probably made during wartime if they had the parts for them on hand. I’d be interested to see what the serial number is....
Cycle Trucks made up the vast majority of Schwinn's war time production with slightly over 10,000 units being made in both 1943 and 1944. There were 6364 units made in 1942. Schwinn's total bike production numbers exceeded the Cycle Truck's 10,000 units per year that the Government approved. No CT's were said to be produced in 1945-46. There have been some off the radar serial numbers mentioned by collectors that were on some balloon tire bikes but nobody has mentioned the idea that they could have been war time production.
Here are the total production numbers said to be published.
Makes sense that cycle trucks would be produced. Utility work bike.
@GTs58 Did you mean that the cycle truck production was slightly over 100k each year? (Not just the approved 10k)? Total production numbers you showed are +100k during wartime. How many of those were NOT cycle trucks?
@GTs58 Thanks for revising the war time production numbers. It looks like they made less than 10k "victory" bikes that were not cycle trucks each year. I'm enjoying seeing the ones that are still left surviving. Blackout parts, mixed up franken parts, changes in welding techniques during those years, etc. I dig it. It's hard to figure out but cool to try.
Amazing that they had built up production capabilities to almost 400k bikes/year before the war and were able to quickly exceed that number after the war. Making secret military parts in high volume didn't stop them from pushing a few lightweights out the door too.
Scored a decent original new world today. Looks to be completely untouched. Serial # F87335. No blackout parts & too bad it’s not a men’s. My guess is a 40-41. Anyone have any better ideas, please let me know. Appears to have the original tires too. Never heard of schwinn whirlwind tires. The rims say schwinn superior stamped on them. Rear large flange schwinn script hub. I haven’t cleaned the grease off the front hub but it appears to be a standard script hub. Torrington pedals. Also, any idea of what style grips belong in this? Not sure if this will help with the chart your building.