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Wartime Schwinn New World Bikes - We Know You Have Them - Tell Us About Them!!

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Adding @Bozman 's beautiful 1948 original blue ladies New World. @GTs58 noticed it has an EF BB but not all of the BB is EF. Weird and interesting...
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I've had a few messages from @Arfsaidthebee about the New Worlds in his collection. He has 5 of these beauties and sent pics and info that I'm adding to the thread.

Here are some great pics he took of his 23" black wartime bike with blackout braces that we had in the chart above. It is serial J08200:
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EF BB
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Also has blackout ND Big Arm = Brake coaster and came with 'War Tire" marked tires. Really neat victory bike!


Arfsaidthebee also has two 1948 New Worlds. This one is so clean! Serial number E60020 No blackout parts, EF BB, bought from @Larmo63
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This looks like another 1948 that has a few missing parts and modifications but the frame and braces are post war. EF BB with serial E20400 is in that 1948 zone.
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Arfsaidthebee also has two interesting blue New Worlds that are pre/wartime.
Serial number D54422, Schwinn Superior rims, Whirlwind rear tire, blackout rear sprocket, front/rear brakes, wire braces in rear, locking fork
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NOT EF BB:
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The Blackout rear sprocket is odd. The D serial and NOT EF BB and rest of the bike make me think it is a 1940, but why use a blackout sprocket in 1940? Rear hub is a 3-sp Sturmey Archer (not blackout). Also has a locking fork.
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It's a little hard to tell from the pics and being black, but it looks like Arf's J serial #'d beauty has the full blown EF head tube. The SN stamping is a lower number than Capt Nemo's too. Here's what a full on EF Schwinn head tube looks like for those that are not aware. It's made from two pieces of flat steel and the nubs for the top and bottom tube joints are punched out so when finished the tube joints look fillet brazed.

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Note how the head tube is stamped out for the top tube EF to the head tube.

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@GTs58 Nice pics! How they gave the appearance of fillet brazing when they formed the nubs is interesting. It's hard to tell from the pics how far out the nubs are formed and where the joint to the tube starts. On the frame that looks like it got sanded, is that darker vertical looking marking the EF joint for the bottom tube?

I got some more pics and info from Arfsaidthebee. I corrected/added some stuff above but ran into the 20 attachments limit :D Here's some more pics of his blue H serial bike:

Serial number H53984, 19" frame, NOT EF BB, flat rear braces attach to axle (not original), wire front brace, built-in seat post clamp
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He picked up these mudguards that are perfect for this bike.
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@Miq It's somewhere where the downtube was sanded. Nice job there! lol Not sure how far out the nubs were when they first started this process. I'll guess the down tube joint starts very close to the head tube at the bottom were the taper ends and the top is further out so a square cut tube will meet the nub.
Note in that picture above that some work had to be done to fit the top bearing cup.

Here's some drawings, but I have no idea what era they are from, possibly later than war time since there are drawings of the later BB.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/varsity.html



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@GTs58 Those dwgs make it clear now even if the nub length is slightly different.

Stamping two pieces of steel and EF them must have been a lot cheaper than drawing seamless tubing and sounds a lot less labor intensive than hand brazing the joints. The evolution toward higher and higher volume at increased efficiency is clear.
 
I thought I sent in the info on the one I bought last month on ebay: Frame, fork and both mudguards only.
I believe it to be 1942 J99657 EF BB; WIRE braces. No parts exist that would been blackout (unknown) One more funny thing: it has the vertical head badge holes. could it have been a B F Goodrich New World? Painted over with black. I will do some careful paint removal to determine original color.
 
Hi Alan, Thanks for the info on the New World frame you have! I added it to the list along with some info on a bike that @Siestabikes had found in this thread 1940s New World.

Would it be possible to send pictures of the parts you have Alan? There are always other things we can learn from seeing the pics. How many wire braces are on the rear mudguard? Your bike is very close in numbering to bikes that have only one rear wire brace. What sections of the BB were EF? Some bikes close to yours have brazed chain stay joints but EF seat tube joints.

Looking forward to hearing more about what you find out about the bike.

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i actually had owned 2 New Worlds, neither were war time i am afraid. I do love those old school diamond frames best. I have a wartime rollfast :) guessing that is for another thread
 
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