Was There Really A 1949 Model Phantom?

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  1. #41 Posted Sep 24, 2017

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    The G serial numbers were 1950 numbers. There were some in 49 but those were from 12/9 thru 12/21 and there is no way in heaven that they were even built in 1949.
     
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    Look at the schwinncruisers site real close. If you know your Schwinns, you'll know they didn't produce middleweights in 1953. What Pat says in his site is..........well, you'll have to take what he says with a grain of salt and bottle of tequila.
     
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    WHY NOT ASK A COLLECTOR THAT HAS AN ORIGINAL '49 PHANTOM TO CHECK OUT
    THE SERIAL NUMBER TO SEE WHEN THE FRAME WAS STAMPED IN '48?
     
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    For what it's worth, I have to side with @GTs58 on the model years. I have a 1954 Jaguar with a serial number dating to October 1953, but the date on the Sturmey hub is "54 1". If the hub was built January 1954, the bike could not have been assembled in 1953, even if the frame was ready.
     
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    Or ask the Schwinn family?
     
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    If it helps, I have a Black Phantom carcass with serial # F342699, which I believe dates it November 18, 1949. (Or does that just add to the confusion?) I tried to take a picture of the serial number but it did not come out too well in the low-light conditions.
     
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    I want to see a pic of that May 49 bike mentioned earlier in this post. That would put this baby to bed! V/r Shawn
     
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    That wouldn't be enough to nail up the coffin. Only one May Phantom will seal the deal? What if it's a restored piece? I'm sure you know there were many Phantoms built after the fact when everyone was trying to cash in on the craze. There's been lots of November #'s and some Oct. #'s So there should be many with earlier numbers if it was a mid year release. Where are they? I thought for sure there would have been hundreds of pre September SN Phantoms popping up with everyone saying they have a 1949 Phantom. I'll be keeping an eye out on all the so called "49" phantoms looking for numbers earlier than Oct.
     
  9. #49 Posted Sep 26, 2017

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    Sean: I am communicating with a few folks on the Schwinn forum to get pics of the bike and the bottom bracket on the May 49 Phantom sent to me.
     
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    I was just driving home from work, and saw my first 2018 Ford F-150.
    Nice looking truck.
    Gee!
    To see a brand new truck on the road in September of 2017 means that thing was probably on the assembly line in May?
    Just a guess, but probably not to far off.
    No one will ever call that truck a 2017 model even though it's vin number will clearly state that it was manufactured and sold in 2017.
    Now I know bicycle production cannot be compared to the automobile business.
    But, the bicycle business was and is a Christmas season driven business.
    You know, Black Friday?
    Yeah the time of year that your sales numbers shift from red to black.
    The Schwinn Phantom was a new model for a new decade. The 1950s.
    The built the bikes in 1949 so that they would be ready for the end of the year sales crush, so that kids could get the new models for Christmas.
    You can call them 1949 models, because that's what the serial number says, but all of the advertising literature says they are 1950 models just like that brand new Ford truck I saw today.
     
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    Yes, one original May '49 Phantom would seal the deal for me. V/r Shawn
     
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    Well, then you would have to go back to post #34 LOL, you haven't met the burden of proof that my claim is not valid.
     
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    And nobody can answer my question. And hearsay is disallowed.

    Was There Really A 1949 Model Phantom?


     
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    The new 1954 Jaguar also had an early release in late 1953. It too was available right before Christmas 1953 but the dealers had to put in their orders pronto.
    The Jag ad sent to dealers. Notice the side note along with the print in the bottom right box. As for the so called 49 Phantom, it was probably introduced in the same manor and just early enough for Christmas sales.


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    the 49's came with pinch pan mesinger saddle not a phantom style
     
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    I have what I call a '49 Phantom...serial: F286822 (10/22/49).
     
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    balloon tire jags 53 and 54
     
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    The bikes are always built the year before so they can have them for sale the following year.
     
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    NOT SURE WHERE YOU GET YOUR HISTORY, BUT THE WORKED AS MUCH OVERTIME AS POSSIBLE IN OCT - DEC FOR XMAS SALES. READ UP ON THE FACTORYS THAT BUILT THESE... ITS NO WHERE NEAR A YEAR BEFORE... ITS LIKE CARS WITH NEW MODEL YEARS...AND BIKES MADE IN TRANSITION MAY HAVE HAD BOTH YEARS PARTS UNTIL GONE
     
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    In many cases the first run of new a model had parts that were not used throughout the model year production and this is understandable. If there was an actual 1949 model year Phantom the serial number with a stamping date should have at least May/July dated serial number. The new year Schwinn models started with bikes wearing a serial number that was dated in the last quarter. A bike with an October dated serial number very well could have been on a bike with an early release before Christmas but that serial number does not constitute the idea that it's that years model.

    In almost all cases the new year Schwinn models started with bikes wearing a November serial number.