Was There Really A 1949 Model Phantom?


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BUT THEY DID MAKE 1949 PHANTOMS, AND THE 1ST YEAR HAS THE PINCH PAN MESINGER, IN 50 THE LEATHER WAS GLUED ON. IT DIDN'T HOLD AND CAME LOOSE...AFTER THAT THEY HAD RIVETS ON THE SIDES TO HOLD IT FOR THE GLUE
 

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BUT THEY DID MAKE 1949 PHANTOMS, AND THE 1ST YEAR HAS THE PINCH PAN MESINGER, IN 50 THE LEATHER WAS GLUED ON. IT DIDN'T HOLD AND CAME LOOSE...AFTER THAT THEY HAD RIVETS ON THE SIDES TO HOLD IT FOR THE GLUE
The new 1950 Phantom did have some serial numbers that were dated the previous year. Just like the new model year cars that begin production starting in June and July of the previous year. Schwinn's new model year started with the production of bikes wearing serial numbers that were stamped in the last quarter. Note that a serial number date has nothing to do with an actual build date or even the date the frame was built. The date associated with the SN was the date that number was stamped on the bikes component, whether it was the BB shell, rear dropout or head tube.

Lets see some real untouched Phantoms with a mid year 49 serial number!
 

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Has me now thinking about 58's and 59's. Obviously there are big changes between the two years but were there any crossover serial numbers.... Could you have a 59 with a September 58 frame date and a 58 with a September 58 frame date.......I mean, did one day in late 58 they just say OK guys start using these chain rings, pedals and seats from this serial number forward and it will be our 59? What happened to all the parts from 58's and prior years?
 

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Has me now thinking about 58's and 59's. Obviously there are big changes between the two years but were there any crossover serial numbers.... Could you have a 59 with a September 58 frame date and a 58 with a September 58 frame date.......I mean, did one day in late 58 they just say OK guys start using these chain rings, pedals and seats from this serial number forward and it will be our 59? What happened to all the parts from 58's and prior years?

There was a cut off point if you go by serial numbers and the dates of the SN stamping. All the November 61 serial numbers L151XXX were on the next year's 1962 Corvette 5 speeds. The Corvette 3 speeds had a model year transition around the 15th of November 1961. There was about a month between the last built 61 Corvette 5 speeds and the production of the new 1962 models in Nov. 61. Also note there was about a month between the first 62 production in Nov. 61 to the next production run starting with serial #'s on Jan. 18, 1962.

lth63064 __________K152476__10/26/1961__Black____Small plate____Was 4 sale 1/2014. Warren, MI.
MIKE-101ST________K152480__10/26/1961__Black____Small plate____Has owned for the last 10 + years
mike _______________K152756__10/26/1961__R. Green__Large plate____Has been restored back to a Corvette 5

Muncie-mike_________L151445__11/27/1961__Black____Small__________Thrift shop find. Original
schwinn-bike-bobb __L151458__11/27/1961__R Green__Small plate_____Late 61 frame built for 62 Cleaned up & back to OEM
GTs58 ____________L151532__11/27/1961__R. Red ___Large plate_____Fresh from a shed in Stockton. 1962 model
krankrate__________L151549__11/27/1961__Black____Small plate_____Another late 1961 frame built up as a 1962 model.
GTs58 ____________L151554__11/27/1961__R. Blue___Small plate_____Original paint. Small slotted alloy pie plate
hotvw_____________L151628__11/27/1961__R. Blue___Unknown______Project bike. Ebay seller: 1990fordbronco Location Hammond IN.
Oilit_______________L151683__11/27/1961__R. Green__Small solid_____Unmolested original only missing light and crash rail
Uncle Krustys______L152015__11/27/1961__Black____Unknown______Frameset with guard In Santa Rosa
Pedalin Past_______L152117__11/27/1961__Black____Unknown______ Purchased by Shadow27 and then resold
popmachines______L152142__11/27/1961__R. Green__Small solid_____Originated in Avondale AZ.
mcwildz06_________L152228__11/27/1961__Black_____Small plate____Late 61 frame but built in 1962 as a 1962 model.
DonFelipe_________L152274__11/27/1961__R. Red___Small solid_____Started out in Pomona and still in CA
26thstWoodsman __L152412__11/27/1961__Black____Large plate_____Owned for the last 10 years.
cat17106u9s_______L152448__11/27/1961__R.Red____Large plate_____Set up W/Crusier 5 wheelsets Custom modified.

Alex L _____________A221536__01/18/1962__Black____Small solid_____Sold by Shadow27 4-2014
dave the wave____A223160__01/19/1962__R. Blue____Large_________ Sold a Green one to Shadow27
R69Sman _________A228147__01/24/1962__Black____Unknown_______A near complete project worthy of a restoration
npiotrowski1234___A228215__01/24/1962__Black____Small N,O______For sale in Arlington Heights IL. eBay
jrc
 
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phantom

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There was a cut off point if you go by serial numbers and the dates of the SN stamping. All the November 61 serial numbers L151XXX were on the next year's 1962 Corvette 5 speeds. The Corvette 3 speeds had a model year transition around the 15th of November 1961. There was about a month between the last built 61 Corvette 5 speeds and the production of the new 1962 models in Nov. 61. Also note there was about a month between the first 62 production in Nov. 61 to the next production run starting with serial #'s on Jan. 18, 1962.

lth63064 __________K152476__10/26/1961__Black____Small plate____Was 4 sale 1/2014. Warren, MI.
MIKE-101ST________K152480__10/26/1961__Black____Small plate____Has owned for the last 10 + years
mike _______________K152756__10/26/1961__R. Green__Large plate____Has been restored back to a Corvette 5

Muncie-mike_________L151445__11/27/1961__Black____Small__________Thrift shop find. Original
schwinn-bike-bobb __L151458__11/27/1961__R Green__Small plate_____Late 61 frame built for 62 Cleaned up & back to OEM
GTs58 ____________L151532__11/27/1961__R. Red ___Large plate_____Fresh from a shed in Stockton. 1962 model
krankrate__________L151549__11/27/1961__Black____Small plate_____Another late 1961 frame built up as a 1962 model.
GTs58 ____________L151554__11/27/1961__R. Blue___Small plate_____Original paint. Small slotted alloy pie plate
hotvw_____________L151628__11/27/1961__R. Blue___Unknown______Project bike. Ebay seller: 1990fordbronco Location Hammond IN.
Oilit_______________L151683__11/27/1961__R. Green__Small solid_____Unmolested original only missing light and crash rail
Uncle Krustys______L152015__11/27/1961__Black____Unknown______Frameset with guard In Santa Rosa
Pedalin Past_______L152117__11/27/1961__Black____Unknown______ Purchased by Shadow27 and then resold
popmachines______L152142__11/27/1961__R. Green__Small solid_____Originated in Avondale AZ.
mcwildz06_________L152228__11/27/1961__Black_____Small plate____Late 61 frame but built in 1962 as a 1962 model.
DonFelipe_________L152274__11/27/1961__R. Red___Small solid_____Started out in Pomona and still in CA
26thstWoodsman __L152412__11/27/1961__Black____Large plate_____Owned for the last 10 years.
cat17106u9s_______L152448__11/27/1961__R.Red____Large plate_____Set up W/Crusier 5 wheelsets Custom modified.

Alex L _____________A221536__01/18/1962__Black____Small solid_____Sold by Shadow27 4-2014
dave the wave____A223160__01/19/1962__R. Blue____Large_________ Sold a Green one to Shadow27
R69Sman _________A228147__01/24/1962__Black____Unknown_______A near complete project worthy of a restoration
npiotrowski1234___A228215__01/24/1962__Black____Small N,O______For sale in Arlington Heights IL. eBay
jrc
Interesting I guess but it doesn't answer my questions re: 58/59 Phantoms
 

GTs58

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Interesting I guess but it doesn't answer my questions re: 58/59 Phantoms
So you're taking about the parts on a new year model. I don't study the Phantoms but I'm sure Schwinn could have used a 58 seat on the new 59 models. They did this with the change over on many bikes when they went from the three rivet 59-61 Mesinger to the two rivet 62 Mesinger, and then again with the no rivet 63 Mesinger. Did you know that some 1958 model Jaguars and Corvettes had the new 1959 two stage Mayweg front carriers? Schwinn's chain rings were made in house so I see no crossover issue with that part and same with the chain guard decals.

Christmas ad for the 58 Jaguar.

1958 Jag ad.jpg
 

phantom

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59 Phantoms had a completely different seat, bow pedals and clover chain ring, as well as the tank and chain guard markings.....I don't know much about 60's MW's and not looking to learn. Thanks
 
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year model change, but like ed schwinn said... we weren't making collectors items, we were making bicycles. on the line if you ran out of a style chainguards you grabbed a box of another kind and the line didn't stop. nice man, just not really business minded (to say the least
 

GTs58

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Has me now thinking about 58's and 59's. Obviously there are big changes between the two years but were there any crossover serial numbers.... Could you have a 59 with a September 58 frame date and a 58 with a September 58 frame date.......I mean, did one day in late 58 they just say OK guys start using these chain rings, pedals and seats from this serial number forward and it will be our 59? What happened to all the parts from 58's and prior years?
Yes.
 

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