Who made "Black Beauty" badged bikes??? and Mont. Wards "De Luxe"


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chitown

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Who made "Black Beauty" badged bikes?

I was also wondering about Montgomery Ward "De Luxe" badged?

Could they be the same maker?

Chris
 
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dfa242

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Don't know much about the M/W Deluxe, but the Black Beauty bikes were made by Haverford Cycle Co. in Phladelphia.
Funny timing for your question - I just bought this catalog the other day.

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Congrats on your 1k post...sorry I didn't catch it closer....
 

chitown

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Labor Unions VS Corporate Greed... some things never change eh?

What about Shapleigh Hardware Co St Louis Plate "Speedy" and "Ruby"
or Geo. Worthington, Cleveland O name-plate "Harvard" & "Erie"
or Butler Bros, 375 Broadway, New York City NY
or Wm Frankfort Hardware Co, Milwaukee Wis
or A. Baldwin Co New Orleans
or Hibbard-Spencer-Bartlett Co Chicago Ill
or... there's more but one thing I know is they all were built by the Arnold Schwinn Bicycle Company. At least in 1920 they were.

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chitown

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Interesting that they were demanding a 44 hour work week at .85 per hour.

And in the same issue (Metal Polishers Union) it shows how the Union just secured an increase to $1.00 per hour and a 44 hour work week with Mead Cycle Co.

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chitown

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I think this is an important document for a couple reasons.

1. It shows all many of the badged bikes Schwinn was producing at the time. Sort of a mini Rosetta Stone for teens and twenties bikes. I was unaware they had such big accounts as the Montgomery Wards and the others mentioned.

2. Brings up the possibility that some of these bikes were made by scabs and ex-con's.

3. Mead Cycle Co was making their own frames as of 1920. There doesn't seem to be much info out there on when they started to outsource frames to other manufacturers but a key time might be when George Lewis left sometime after 1924-5 and teamed up with Huffman to build wheels. This is when Dayton Rolled Metal and others probably bought much of Meads manufacturing equipment. It was mentioned that Shelby bought much of this equipment also.


If Schwinn was making all these bikes for other badges/jobbers, it makes me wonder what accounts Mead had during the teens and early twenties.
 

chitown

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1919 Hawthorne De Luxe Models

So these would have been a Schwinn built bike according to the strike document.

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chitown

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So would the Black Beauty bikes of 1919

Schwinn Built Black Beauty:

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And a Haverford Cycle shop in Washington DC:

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Dooood, wouldn't it be so awesome to find that green "Champion" ^ in nice condition???
 

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At least by the late 20's to early 30's the Black Beauty was built by H.P.Snyder for D.P.Harris and distributed through Rollfast.
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Nickinator

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Bringing this old thread back to life, got some good info-

So Nick is building a Black Beauty, has the headbadge from the early 1919ish Schwinn-looking one (see pics), but badge says Haverford Cycle Co, Philadelphia, PA- did Haverford build their own bikes, or did Schwinn build them? And could Mead have supplied any parts, like the coat hanger fender braces?

Nick is still looking for frame/tank?/fork/fenders for this style BB if anyone has anything they're not attached to, please let us know. :D

Darcie

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chitown

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Haverford was a jobber/distributor. Schwinn was one of the companies building bikes for Haverford. Havorford may have just assembled bikes similar to Mead where they pick parts from several manufacturers and slap a Haverford badge on them. Making it hard to determine originality or if it is a mix of parts. This also makes it easy to build one up as there is little evidence to dispute what is original equipment.

Patric has said he had a Black Beauty that was a Davis built. Who knows if they used multiple manufacturers in the same year???

That BB sprocket catfish has doesn't look the same construction as the DAYTON or HD sprockets of the late teens early twenties. So I'm not sure if that is an early sprocket just not Davis built or if it's from a later Snyder built BB.
 

Nickinator

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I have a feeling mead made some of the black beautys, as I have seen a lot of parts that suggest mead, also explains why schwinn took over making them when mead went under the schwinn roof. (just a thought) and that might be why black beauty went under and sold the name in the mid 20s-30s to DP Harris.

Nick.

Haverford was a jobber/distributor. Schwinn was one of the companies building bikes for Haverford. Havorford may have just assembled bikes similar to Mead where they pick parts from several manufacturers and slap a Haverford badge on them. Making it hard to determine originality or if it is a mix of parts. This also makes it easy to build one up as there is little evidence to dispute what is original equipment.

Patric has said he had a Black Beauty that was a Davis built. Who knows if they used multiple manufacturers in the same year???

That BB sprocket catfish has doesn't look the same construction as the DAYTON or HD sprockets of the late teens early twenties. So I'm not sure if that is an early sprocket just not Davis built or if it's from a later Snyder built BB.
 

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I read this differently (brilliant research!)

The last sentence before the list of jobbers says: "Other motorcycles and bicycles treat Organized labor fairly"
and then the list...
Montgomery Ward etc....

What about Shapleigh Hardware Co St Louis Plate "Speedy" and "Ruby"
or Geo. Worthington, Cleveland O name-plate "Harvard" & "Erie"
or Butler Bros, 375 Broadway, New York City NY
or Wm Frankfort Hardware Co, Milwaukee Wis
or A. Baldwin Co New Orleans
or Hibbard-Spencer-Bartlett Co Chicago Ill
or... there's more but one thing I know is they all were built by the Arnold Schwinn Bicycle Company. At least in 1920 they were.

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chitown

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I read this differently... The last sentence before the list of jobbers says: "Other motorcycles and bicycles treat Organized labor fairly"
and then the list...
Montgomery Ward etc....
In the upper "Headline" portion it says the same thing but followed by "Appoint Committees to Visit the Dealers GIVE THESE STRIKES PUBLICITY!"

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It's repeated before giving the list.


This is a list of dealers to visit if you are a union sympathizer or union thug! :eek:

Besides, if this was a list of motorcycles and bicycles that treat organized labor fairly, then Montgomery Wards would be a bicycle manufacturer???
 
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sqrly

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I just took my time and read the document as properly as I can, given the language changes that happen in a hundred years. I think Chris (chitown), has it right. But, I think it can be risky to think that these companies bought exclusivly from AS&Co. I think alot of companies then just like today would switch every order, while others built lasting relationships and stuck with one mfg. for their goods.
 

ejlwheels

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The strike list shows that Haverford was one of many Schwinn accounts. It does not prove that Haverford never used other suppliers. Nor does it indicate which models or parts were involved.

To me, the frame and fork in this ad look like they were made by Schwinn. But the out roll edged fenders are similar to those used on Indians.
1919 Black Beauty
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Here is a girls BB that matches the Schwinns of the same timeframe:
(it appears to have a standard Schwinn non-truss fork but instead of Schwinn typical fenders it uses early Chief style long noses)
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1917 Schwinn/Excelsior (notice this Excelsior appears to have a Mead style ribbed fork)
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This girls Black Beauty has seat stays and a front fork that look Schwinny but the curved down tubes do not. The down tubes look more like something Snyder would make. (It would make sense for D.P Harris to have a relationship with Haverford since they evidently later bought the Black Beauty brand. The down tubes could be a modified Schwinn, with the down tubes spaced further apart, but since I suspect that Haverford was trying to source parts cheaply, off the shelf, I doubt they would arrange for special, costly modifications.) Can anyone i.d. this girls frame?
mystery year, mystery make
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Nor does the the above girls Black Beauty fully match Davis frames:
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chitown

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The strike list shows that Haverford was one of many Schwinn accounts. It does not prove that Haverford never used other suppliers. Nor does it indicate which models or parts were involved.

To me, the frame and fork in this ad look like they were made by Schwinn. But the out roll edged fenders are similar to those used on Indians.
Fenders on the Schwinny bike look like the 1914 offerings from International Stamping.



As a jobber/assembler it looks like Haverford was building with whatever stock they could get.

I stated in the Davis thread that there is a good chance that several makers were providing frames for Haverford (even within the same year) so knowing what is correct can vary widely depending on year, model and probably the location of the Haverford dealer. More east coast shops probably used the Snyder stuff more than Schwinn. This would have saved greatly on rail/shipping costs. I have no facts to back this up, just looking to untangle the web of the bicycle industry of that time.
 

Nickinator

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Here are some close ups and better pictures of the frame Eric is referring to, I now own this frame,
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