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Who made my Elgin? Murray vs Westfield identifiers

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rustjunkie

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Pre-WWII Murray-built bikes used a similar frame construction to post-WWII Schwinn. Mislabeled as "fillet brazing" the head- and other tubes were forgings and electro-welded to the main tubes. That's how they got those really nice smooth curves, w/o time consuming brazing and finish work. This is what I've observed over the years, and am not offended to learn that I'm mistaken :)
Here's some pics of Murray and Westfield key points that help me with ID's:

Murray Pre-WWII:

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You can see that there are 2 types of seat post clamp areas, one that takes 2 shims, and one that doesn't.
Some bikes had the "hourglass" at seat- and chain-stay, some did not.
The fork shown is AFAIK unique to Murray.

From what I've seen most pre-WWII Murray bikes you'll find do not have rear fork ends threaded for chain adjusters, but they were made that way, usually seen on Mercury badged bikes:


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I always noticed, to my eyes at least, with the curved seat tube versions... Murray curved seat tubes were more of a true curve from bottom to top of the tube, while Westfield curved seat tubes look straight at the bottom, then bend, and then end straight at the top.
Yes, I agree with that. They just look better to my eye.
 
Here in the Midwest the Murray version is harder to find. I have a Murray built curved tube,long tank Elgin...’39 I believe. Its kinda ruff but I like it. Gonna give it to a pal who’s an awesome metal man...if anyone can save it,Larry can.


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Westfield bikes had different frame construction and rear fork ends.



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Murray and Westfield bikes were produced with both straight and curved seat tubes.
It looks like the Hiawatha I bought has the westfield "dropout" arrangement(?).
Does that make sense?
I'd not heard of Westfield until this very post so there's a new rabbit hole for me to wander.

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