Who made my Elgin? Murray vs Westfield identifiers

[Hukah]

Am I wrong about this?
It looks like the Westfield has more "straightness" in it's topbar? More like the Columbia?
Maybe it's just the angle the photo is taken at?
I also see some with a curved downtube that is absent on my Hiawatha.
This can be confusing too sometimes.

 

[rustjunkie]

your hiawatha is a murray

 

[Hukah]

that one's a murray also

that's what mrg said too. I forgot that he has the same frame that i do.

 

[rustjunkie]

that's what mrg said too. I forgot that he has the same frame that i do.

your frame has this electroforged area

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[Hukah]

I hope I'm not hijacking, but instead contributing to the subject.
Please let me know if I am OT.
I asked MRG what the model name of this frame is and he said he was unaware.
after you reminding me that it is Murray built and I seen that the westfield came back as a '41 from my goog search I got the idea to goog a "1941 murray adult tank bike" and these two images appeared in the first two rows.
It looks like the name of this model is "Derby", if I'm not mistaken.
Is there a way to "tag" him in this conversation?

PS; it had the unusual fork, if I'm seeing it right

 

[rustjunkie]

Derby was the house "brand" for pep boys iirc.
so you will see Derby badged bikes of different manufacturers, same as Elgin (Sears), Hiawatha (Gambles), Firestone, etc

 

[Hukah]

Derby was the house "brand" for pep boys iirc.
so you will see Derby badged bikes of different manufacturers, same as Elgin (Sears), Hiawatha (Gambles), Firestone, etc

Dang. I thought I found something. lol

 

[oldfart36]

Easy way, The Murray had the longer seat post tube. The Westfield had the short seat post tube!

 

[Mad Mike]

your frame has this electroforged area

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My bike is as the one pictured......But noticed in this picture- Left and right of the peak of the sidewall= frame sectioning? the attached joining of pieces is very pronounced like this...^^^^^^^^ Mine's Mercury badged.

 

[Kickstand3]

Derby was the house "brand" for pep boys iirc.
so you will see Derby badged bikes of different manufacturers, same as Elgin (Sears), Hiawatha (Gambles), Firestone, etc

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