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mrg

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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Ok lets see if anybody can help with this. I have a couple of 53/54 Jaguars, both have both types of fender mounts in the rear factory, I have seen 4 (owned 3 of these) over 30 yrs., first I bought a 53 cantilever frame I thought someone had welded a hand brake hoop over the og fender bracket but a local old Schwinn told me it was a 53 prototype jag.then I went to Ann arbor swap and Jerry Peters house I met some old Schwinn factory workers that told me in 53 the boss said lets make a HD 3spd. and they only made frames in big batches so they pulled some Phantom frames out of stock and welded a hoop brace for the hand brake over the og fender mt. I don't remember if they told me how many (if they knew) but when they got good reviews and were making frames again they made jag specific ones with just the hoop fender/brake mt. also they told me that the first ones had aluminum hub SA 3 spds. rarer Laubdell seat, both of mine have the hub and one the seat. one I found around 20 yrs. ago complete but had been hot rodded in the late 50's with bobed fenders, corvett tank & cal handle bars, then 10 yrs. ago a complete really faded one, the 4th one someone had and sold at LB swap a couple of yrs. ago, I sold him a og green guard of a 55 jag that matched his paint. I never looked at his # but my hot rod is 53 and I will look tomorrow at my red one. that the only info I have but over the yrs. a couple of people have said similar things.Like to see what anybody else has heard or seen. These pics are old, maybe I will get better ones tomorrow. Thanks

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rhenning

I live for the CABE
You do realise production of 1954 Jags started in like Sept of 1953 do you not? In Schwinns year of frame date doen't mean model year of the bike. They were often built months ahead of the time the frame became a bike. Roger
 
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mrg

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Yes I know year models started late in the year before, that's not the point, these were made before they made Jaguar specific frames, so at the beginning of production, they are 54' models
 

spoker

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
the early ones had an aluminum rear hub and a single crash rail seat made in almira ohio,the other ones had a steel rear hub and leftover phanther 2 rail ballooner seats,i think they used hubs and brake handles from early travlers or worlds,ya kno schwinn was famous for using existing parts to come out with new models and the first run bikes differ from regular production models,the early one i had also had apainted headlite bezel,i dont know if the brake handles are unique but ive not seen them on other bikes,if i remember the spelling on the first seat was faubler,elmira ohio,oh ya ive seen an original with the weird moonsoon tires or what they called em,there were 2 diff tire brands cataloged,the painted bezel if per catalog
 
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spoker

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
cant say,i dont remember seeing it but then i wasnt lookin,sounds like somthing schwinn would do,do the middleweight frames have the same rear mount for single and multi speed?with just a diff fork in the front?
 

GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
I find this very interesting, it's not every day you come across something like this. Those flat added on brake/fender brackets may also have been a proto type. I'm curious to know the locations were the four were found. Were they all in Cali?
 

mrg

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Ok lets see, the first one (with double rear brake/fender mount) I bought at a yard sale here in socal in the late 70's to make a klunker for the Mt. Wilson downhill and with the dbl mounts, the first balloon Id seen with hand brakes so I made mine hub & hand brakes in rear and the balloon fork w/brake, Mt. Wilson was 13 mi. downhill dirt road that ate brakes and no hub (ND, bendex,Morrow etc) lasted more than 2 or so days (3 trips down a day) also wore out pads & shoes (Vans) sliding around those corners but this for a different thread in another section. second one found at Pomona car swap 10 yrs. and the frame was the same so I knew Schwinn had made them. they come from all over for that swap and didnt think about ask where it was from, then I got the story I talked about in my first post when I was back east. Then a few yrs. ago I bought the red (or whats left of the red) back east, didnt ask about the one I saw at last at LB bike swap but all 4 had the dbl brake/fender mt. all factory welded and identical.O well ask my friends here on the cabe if its weird I seem to find it (and then 3) Im sure there is more out there and more info. Thanks, here are more pics of my hotrod on the road today
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mrg

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
I give up for tonight, I lost my whole paragraph once ( and I'm not a fast typer) and now some sideways pics, I posted the pics from my phone and I guess its how you were holding when you took it even tho it doesn't show that way on phone. O well
 
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GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
I'm curious about your serial numbers. You said they were late 53 so could you please post the numbers when you have nothing else better to do? ;) Someone earlier said the new next years models began production in Sept but that is incorrect. From my research Schwinn starting stamping serial numbers for the next years models in mid November. It took roughly a little over one month from that serial number date before there was a finished bike.

Been doing some internet searches on this subject and I came across two pictures and both these Jags have both brackets. May be hard to see but I blew up the pics to verify.

I'll bet there are and have been owners that are clueless about this oddity on their Jaguars. It would be interesting to see just how long or how many Jags Schwinn produced with this add on bracket.

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mrg

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
From what I came up with both of my frames were built between oct. 15-30-1953 (b73xxx, c02xxx), but the also used those # in 52 & 57. As I said before Schwinn factory workers I spoke to yrs. ago (25-30) told me they used Phantom frames (balloon) at first and after they got positive reviews and were put them into reg. production and ran frames again (sounded like they made a warehouse full then used them till they were gone) and made Jaguar specific frames.
 
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greenephantom

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dude, those are rad. Now I have something else to add to the list of must-have bikes. And the regular ones are hard enough to find as it is. Dang. Dang. Dang.
Cheers, Geoff
 

mrg

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Yea, it was only a two yr. run, 54 & 55 for the balloon Jag so maybe these were only the first mo. or so maybe with some more ser. # or any other info we can get a better idea.
 
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GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
Here is another that somewhat shows the double mounting plates. John mentioned in another thread that this one has a 53 serial number. Schwinn did build different models/frames in batches so the very first run of these Jags were obviously built on existing ballooner frames and just modified before paint. So far I have not come across a 1954 serial numbered Jag with both brackets. I also came across a 1954 Schwinn reporter and the main topic was about the 1953 production. It said Lightweights and juvenile bikes made up 65% of that years production.

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Oilit

I live for the CABE
I know this thread is 3 years old, but it deserves updating. The pictures show this bike pretty much as I bought it. The seat and the pedals have been replaced and the Rocket Ray is long gone, but otherwise it's pretty complete. The serial number dates it to Oct. 1953 and the Sturmey Archer hub (alloy) is dated "54 1", so that matches the bikes that @mrg posted. It also has the earlier style Weinmnn levers, and I'm still not sure when the style changed. I've seen them on the early middleweights and one as late as 1958 on a Roadmaster Flying Falcon, but AMF may have been using up old stock.
I've also included some pictures of a seat I picked up off of EBay. I'm guessing this has to be an "Airflow" saddle, made by Mesinger (thanks to @Freqman1 for noticing what I'd missed!). My understanding is that the balloon Jaguars used either the Airflow or the Faulhaber seat, like the one in this post by @bobcycles : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/v...dle-balloon-54-jag-etc-150-00-shipped.108169/. Was the Faulhaber on the later (1955) Jaguars, or was this random?

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GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
I know this thread is 3 years old, but it deserves updating. The pictures show this bike pretty much as I bought it. The seat and the pedals have been replaced and the Rocket Ray is long gone, but otherwise it's pretty complete. The serial number dates it to Oct. 1953 and the Sturmey Archer hub (alloy) is dated "54 1", so that matches the bikes that @mrg posted. It also has the earlier style Weinmnn levers, and I'm still not sure when the style changed. I've seen them on the early middleweights and one as late as 1958 on a Roadmaster Flying Falcon, but AMF may have been using up old stock.
I've also included some pictures of a seat I picked up off of EBay. I'm guessing this has to be an "Airflow" saddle, made by Mesinger (thanks to @Freqman1 for noticing what I'd missed!). My understanding is that the balloon Jaguars used either the Airflow or the Faulhaber seat, like the one in this post by @bobcycles : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/v...dle-balloon-54-jag-etc-150-00-shipped.108169/. Was the Faulhaber on the later (1955) Jaguars, or was this random?

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I would have to say that the Air-Flow was the intended saddle and there was a supply and demand, or better yet, a demand and supply issue for the Air-Flow saddles on the 54 Jaguar, so the other saddle (Troxel) was an appropriate substitute. It's somewhat obvious that Schwinn made a quick or late decision to produce the Jag and they came up short on the supply of the Air-Flows. I personally have seen more 1954 models and they had both types of saddles and just a few original 1955 models but can't say that I've seen many of the Air-Flow saddles being used on the 55 Jags. Here is another 54 with a Nov 13- 25/1953 SN.

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SJ_BIKER

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Wow.....thought i saw everything...until i met schwinns
 
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