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Here's the problem: "Cheap and Quick " is not acceptable to some members of the CABE. To them everything has to be perfect. Nothing wrong with that, but I think they have missed the entire purpose of this thread. Not everyone has a load of leather working experience to turn out a perfect saddle on possibly their first and only saddle they'll ever recover. Without an expert guiding their way and showing how to use the expensive tools that may only be used once, it's frustrating. Not many of us can afford the dollars to pay someone to professionally recover their 15 dollar saddle. We have folks on the CABE that regularly recover these old saddles. They do a perfect Job.....and charge big bucks to do it. It's not exactly easy doing a saddle and takes time and skill. They rightfully earn it. I understand that. Sometimes they will comment positively, and throw out a "tiny" tidbit of information on how they do things, but as we struggle, that's as far as they go. S u r e would be nice for the "experts" here, to post a step by step tutorial on their next saddle recover job. Some of us would like to recover their old saddle and do a nice job. I'm one of them. That said.....old tinker struggles along. Here's my current project: I bought this single pan saddle at the Biketoberfest in Illinios earlier this month. I think it's teens or early 20's and off a Iver Johnson. Previous owner intended to recover. He applied foam padding, but that's as far as he got. It was the only old long spring saddle at the swap. I thought the price of 70 bucks was kinda steep, as I remember the days of these rusty bottom brackets being like 5-10 bucks. Being this saddle is a single pan type, it's hard to recover, as it has to be stitched on by hand. For better or worse, I'll keep updating with my progress, or "lack of." This is going to be a "learning" experience. I'm using veg-tan 5 oz. leather for the covering. 8-9 oz for the band riveted to the underside of the pan. The top leather was soaked for five minutes in warm water before use. This makes it easy to stretch over the pan. Previous saddles done in this thread have used "Chrome -tan" leather. Soaking it will ruin the finish on it and sometimes cause it to tear. Warming it up makes it easier to work with, but it won't stretch like veg-tan. So....here goes. Shown is underside of the pan. Foam padding was already glued to the pan and had to be removed and trimmed to fit better.

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A strip of 9oz. leather was riveted to the underside of the pan with standard cap rivets. No special tool to apply, only a hammer. No glue. The top leather will be sewn to it.
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Using the steel pan as a guide, I trimmed the excess leather from the edges, hopefully leaving enough leather to sew too. [ I'm a tad concerned about that]
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Next, I cut the top leather covering from the hide, making it about an inch bigger than the pan, all the way around.
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After soaking the cut-out in warm water for about five minutes, I applied it over the pan, starting in it back and working to the front. Clamping it as I go.
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The silver wire around the perimeter is solid core silver solder, keeping the leather tight to the edges. I'll let this dry a couple days. When dry, the leather will be permanently formed to the saddle. I will apply some 3m spray adhesive to the underside of the leather and top of padding. the edges will be held together with contact cement and trimmed. Lastly, I will dye the leather Black and stitch. I will keep everyone update with photos. Now, If there are any of our"experts" looking at this, please correct my crude methods and show some photos of how you do it right. Lastly, here's a photo of the bike this old saddle will be on, when done. It's a 1946 Ranger. I've already painted it. Old tinker is happy......for now.......
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Well...... it turned out nice, but...... my worst fear came true. I didn't make the overhanging leather that attaches the top leather to the pan quite wide enough to accommodate the stitching and the margin I had planned for. I'm about 3'16" short. So..... Had to rip the seat completely apart, all the way down. About killed me to rip this off.

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My nice leather went into the trash. Just another bump in the road. Gotta start over.






OK. Started over from scratch. And ... made a couple errors on the second saddle attempt as well. But, being it's my first attempt at doing this, I'm thinking saddle number 3 will turn out pretty darn good. I ran into a problem this morning when I punched the holes for the stitching. I did some trimming of the top leather and as a result, the left back corner is not the same radius as the right. Also, on the nose, I should have left another 1/8 inch of leather for the stitches. They're a little close to the right edge. That said, I need to know: [ from any professionals here] What type of adhesive do you use to attach the leather to the padding and do you use contact cement on the edges? What type of clamps do you use to hold the leather in place while being wet formed? This is still the "cheap and quick" thread, but as long as it's heading in a more professional direction, maybe some photos of works in progress from the professionals would be very helpful to fellow CABE members thinking of attempting this. A tutorial with photos would be extra nice. First off, here are the tools and materials needed to do this saddle.
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Other than screwing up the left corner and some uneven stitching, it turned out good enough for the "Rat Rod" 46 Ranger it's going on. There's really no special tools other than stitching needles and the punch for making the holes. All sold at Hobby Lobby, including your choice of dye. I suggest watching Weaver Leather's Chuck Dorset on Youtube. He has great tutorials. Has a good one on Stitching. Have fun.

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Even in my cheesy pinch pan recovers, I make a similar mistake over and over. I never leave enough material to tuck under when I’m cutting the triangles. I cut a few triangles too deep every time.
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We are all learning together @the tinker, even if we are stumbling in the dark. This thread is pure gold and it’s important to share successes and failures. Don’t get too discouraged, you’re taking on a more advanced method. I’m psyched to see what you do next.
 
Well...... it turned out nice, but...... my worst fear came true. I didn't make the overhanging leather that attaches the top leather to the pan quite wide enough to accommodate the stitching and the margin I had planned for. I'm about 3'16" short. So..... Had to rip the seat completely apart, all the way down. About killed me to rip this off.

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View attachment 2126235My nice leather went into the trash. Just another bump in the road. Gotta start over.
Make some hub shiners out of the tear off. Definitely takes a few seats to get the hang of it and I have plenty of hub shiner’s to prove it! Hahaha! My phantom seat idea was due to a mistake and no leather pieces big enough to redo it.

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Here's the problem: "Cheap and Quick " is not acceptable to some members of the CABE. To them everything has to be perfect. Nothing wrong with that, but I think they have missed the entire purpose of this thread. Not everyone has a load of leather working experience to turn out a perfect saddle on possibly their first and only saddle they'll ever recover. Without an expert guiding their way and showing how to use the expensive tools that may only be used once, it's frustrating. Not many of us can afford the dollars to pay someone to professionally recover their 15 dollar saddle. We have folks on the CABE that regularly recover these old saddles. They do a perfect Job.....and charge big bucks to do it. It's not exactly easy doing a saddle and takes time and skill. They rightfully earn it. I understand that. Sometimes they will comment positively, and throw out a "tiny" tidbit of information on how they do things, but as we struggle, that's as far as they go. S u r e would be nice for the "experts" here, to post a step by step tutorial on their next saddle recover job. Some of us would like to recover their old saddle and do a nice job. I'm one of them. That said.....old tinker struggles along. Here's my current project: I bought this single pan saddle at the Biketoberfest in Illinios earlier this month. I think it's teens or early 20's and off a Iver Johnson. Previous owner intended to recover. He applied foam padding, but that's as far as he got. It was the only old long spring saddle at the swap. I thought the price of 70 bucks was kinda steep, as I remember the days of these rusty bottom brackets being like 5-10 bucks. Being this saddle is a single pan type, it's hard to recover, as it has to be stitched on by hand. For better or worse, I'll keep updating with my progress, or "lack of." This is going to be a "learning" experience. I'm using veg-tan 5 oz. leather for the covering. 8-9 oz for the band riveted to the underside of the pan. The top leather was soaked for five minutes in warm water before use. This makes it easy to stretch over the pan. Previous saddles done in this thread have used "Chrome -tan" leather. Soaking it will ruin the finish on it and sometimes cause it to tear. Warming it up makes it easier to work with, but it won't stretch like veg-tan. So....here goes. Shown is underside of the pan. Foam padding was already glued to the pan and had to be removed and trimmed to fit better.

View attachment 2125540A strip of 9oz. leather was riveted to the underside of the pan with standard cap rivets. No special tool to apply, only a hammer. No glue. The top leather will be sewn to it.

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View attachment 2125542Using the steel pan as a guide, I trimmed the excess leather from the edges, hopefully leaving enough leather to sew too. [ I'm a tad concerned about that]View attachment 2125543Next, I cut the top leather covering from the hide, making it about an inch bigger than the pan, all the way around.View attachment 2125544After soaking the cut-out in warm water for about five minutes, I applied it over the pan, starting in it back and working to the front. Clamping it as I go.View attachment 2125545

View attachment 2125569The silver wire around the perimeter is solid core silver solder, keeping the leather tight to the edges. I'll let this dry a couple days. When dry, the leather will be permanently formed to the saddle. I will apply some 3m spray adhesive to the underside of the leather and top of padding. the edges will be held together with contact cement and trimmed. Lastly, I will dye the leather Black and stitch. I will keep everyone update with photos. Now, If there are any of our"experts" looking at this, please correct my crude methods and show some photos of how you do it right. Lastly, here's a photo of the bike this old saddle will be on, when done. It's a 1946 Ranger. I've already painted it. Old tinker is happy......for now.......View attachment 2125546

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I have a feeling that this was at least partially aimed at me.

Can you go to an experienced car painter and ask for advice on painting your own car, but using spray paint. I guess it can be done but not easily.
That’s my thought on this subject.
Not all leather is the same. If you use an old couch or jacket leather it will be tough to get good results.
I can’t give guidance on a process that I don’t use.

Here’s my bit of advice.
Get your padding smooth if not you’re going to see those imperfections in the leather.
 
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Cool thread, right up my alley.
Out of necessity I started doing seat recovers and realized that you don't become an artist overnight.
Some of mine have been complete duds, others look just fine.
I do enjoy getting a tough to mold and stitch TOC saddle back.
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quality materials, and good molds help......thanks for the inspiration to "give it a try".

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