Spoke curiosities...

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Hub just says schwinn approved.. Mark IV brake.. ..

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The Model H19 Deluxe Hornet was only manufactured in 1959 and 1960. In 1958 the Deluxe Hornet was Model K19 and in 1961, there was no Deluxe Hornet. It follows that the rear hub, part number Mark IV 4853 as called out in the 1959 Schwinn Dealer Catalog would also have been found on your bike. Your 1960 Schwinn Bicycle Spoke Chart (Post #7) clearly shows that the spokes on the front hub and the spokes on the Mark IV rear hub were swaged (double butted) and measured .080 on the fat part and .060 in the shaft area (Torrington "B"). All this strongly suggests that the spokes on your bike were changed at some point in the bike's life.

Now, does the brake arm state "Mark IV"? If yes, there is a possibility that your rear hub was also replaced at the time the spokes were replaced, or.....the entire rear wheel could have been replaced just to make the job easier.

Below is the Schwinn Approved Mark IV Coaster Brake found for the first time in the 1965 Schwinn Parts and Accessories Catalog. I have tried to find a listing for the Mark IV 4853 hub mentioned earlier but I have not succeeded and I think I have every P&A catalog of the period. I hope this helps. Kit

 

[Mac Man]

Thx.. it clears up a lot ... didn't understand the two measurements for the spokes but understand now that it's swaged and single measurements are straight size spokes... awesome info...

 

[Schwinn Sales West]

The Model H19 Deluxe Hornet was only manufactured in 1959 and 1960. In 1958 the Deluxe Hornet was Model K19 and in 1961, there was no Deluxe Hornet. It follows that the rear hub, part number Mark IV 4853 as called out in the 1959 Schwinn Dealer Catalog would also have been found on your bike. Your 1960 Schwinn Bicycle Spoke Chart (Post #7) clearly shows that the spokes on the front hub and the spokes on the Mark IV rear hub were swaged (double butted) and measured .080 on the fat part and .060 in the shaft area (Torrington "B"). All this strongly suggests that the spokes on your bike were changed at some point in the bike's life.

Now, does the brake arm state "Mark IV"? If yes, there is a possibility that your rear hub was also replaced at the time the spokes were replaced, or.....the entire rear wheel could have been replaced just to make the job easier.

Below is the Schwinn Approved Mark IV Coaster Brake found for the first time in the 1965 Schwinn Parts and Accessories Catalog. I have tried to find a listing for the Mark IV 4853 hub mentioned earlier but I have not succeeded and I think I have every P&A catalog of the period. I hope this helps. Kit

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The Mark lV hub shown on this Schwinn Catalog page is "better known" as a Perry B-100 coaster brake. It's exactly the same (the Mark lV), just has Schwinn Approved markings. It's a very good hub.

John

 

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Thank you, John. When was the Perry B-100 introduced?

 

[Schwinn Sales West]

Thank you, John. When was the Perry B-100 introduced?

I do not know when they started, it was a common OE hub brand during the 1950's, and into the early 1960's. Eventually, the English Perry, and German Komet hubs were just too expensive for use at OE. Bendix moved bicycle hub production to Mexico and took over the OE sales in the 1960's. I always like coaster brakes that had "one piece" hub shells.

The machine work on the Perry B-100 was incredible, the bearing surfaces were all ground. Besides the quality of the machine work the hub had three nice features. The driver (C636) had ramps that roller bearings (C637) rode up and expanded inside the hub shell to produce forward drive. This operated great with almost no drag. The Brake Cylinder (C641) was a "contained unit" and had no drag like found on hubs with loose shoes or disks. The best feature was the unique Brake Actuator (C639). The retarder springs had almost no drag yet operated the low friction drive rollers. It was a nicely engineered hub, but the lower cost to produce hubs won the market because these were used on lower price point bicycles where the retail selling price was so important.

John

 

[SirMike1983]

The hub ultimately known as the "B-100" goes back well before WWII, known earlier simply as the "Perry Coaster Hub". It uses a roller guide/clutch and brake sleeve/expander design. It underwent some changes over the years, but the basic design was certainly not new, even in the 1950s. The good quality and affordable price after WWII made them popular in the US in the 1950s and 60s. A two speed version was also available even before WWII.

From the 1936 Perry catalogue.

 

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I do not know when they started, it was a common OE hub brand during the 1950's, and into the early 1960's. Eventually, the English Perry, and German Komet hubs were just too expensive for use at OE. Bendix moved bicycle hub production to Mexico and took over the OE sales in the 1960's. I always like coaster brakes that had "one piece" hub shells.

The machine work on the Perry B-100 was incredible, the bearing surfaces were all ground. Besides the quality of the machine work the hub had three nice features. The driver (C636) had ramps that roller bearings (C637) rode up and expanded inside the hub shell to produce forward drive. This operated great with almost no drag. The Brake Cylinder (C641) was a "contained unit" and had no drag like found on hubs with loose shoes or disks. The best feature was the unique Brake Actuator (C639). The retarder springs had almost no drag yet operated the low friction drive rollers. It was a nicely engineered hub, but the lower cost to produce hubs won the market because these were used on lower price point bicycles where the retail selling price was so important.

John

The hub ultimately known as the "B-100" goes back well before WWII, known earlier simply as the "Perry Coaster Hub". It uses a roller guide/clutch and brake sleeve/expander design. It underwent some changes over the years, but the basic design was certainly not new, even in the 1950s. The good quality and affordable price after WWII made them popular in the US in the 1950s and 60s. A two speed version was also available even before WWII.

From the 1936 Perry catalogue.

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Gentlemen,

I was trying to help the OP by seeing if the rear hub he pictured could be dated. Did the stampings on the brake arms vary from year to year? He didn't come back with a picture of his brake arm so I haven't been able to get a feel for his version yet but you gentlemen are very well versed on the topic so I will rely on you.

 

[GTs58]

Gentlemen,

I was trying to help the OP by seeing if the rear hub he pictured could be dated. Did the stampings on the brake arms vary from year to year? He didn't come back with a picture of his brake arm so I haven't been able to get a feel for his version yet but you gentlemen are very well versed on the topic so I will rely on you.

This is on a 1960 Hornet, not the deluxe.

 

[Mac Man]

Gentlemen,

I was trying to help the OP by seeing if the rear hub he pictured could be dated. Did the stampings on the brake arms vary from year to year? He didn't come back with a picture of his brake arm so I haven't been able to get a feel for his version yet but you gentlemen are very well versed on the topic so I will rely on you.

Sorry got tied up...

 

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Sorry got tied up...
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Fantastic! That's a match for the 1965 version. Now, if we can find it on another 1959-1960 Deluxe Hornet or 2 we will be able to reasonably conclude that your rear hub was original to the bike and that the spokes alone were replaced.