Bluebird Technical Discussion 1935-1937


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azbug-i

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Oct 23, 2011
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#81
I agree shawn i dont think its going to have the decal on marcs/mine. Thanks for the year. I still havent heard from him. I hope that he hasnt preemptively put it on a boat or im in trouble :(

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Joe Buffardi

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Amanda, congrats! I have had stuff shipped to the Netherlands, cars and motorcycles. I have used California Shipping They ship to Rotterdam Netherlands. If you call them they may be able to find you another business to get your bike to California from Switzerland. Its a slow boat but its worth it. California shipping is in Stanton Ca. 714-590-1999.
 

azbug-i

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Thanks for the tip joe!! Marc and i seemed to have gotten a solid plan together but ill call them if we get stuck

Thanks im super excited!

I feel like Wayne and garth, im not worthy!

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azbug-i

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#84
My restored 37 bb seems to have lost its badge during shipping. Can anyone pt me to one i can buy? Im looking too!!

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Freqman1

Riding a '37 Dayton Super Streamline
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1937 og color. 1937 "B" serial number. But also a 1935 "N" serial number? And a "B11" any thoughts?
Steve look at post 26--Chris' red BB. It, too, has a dual set of numbers. Pure conjecture on my part but it certainly looks like Westfield used some leftover frames and re-stamped them. I think the "B11" may represent Bluebird and month as you see this on all three years. I haven't seen a number higher than 12 yet. V/r Shawn
 

tesch

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#88
Wheel question on 35 bluebirds vs. later years. Did only the 35 have triple step wheels and the later years have the more basic wheel. Thx Andy
 

cyclingday

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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Wheel question on 35 bluebirds vs. later years. Did only the 35 have triple step wheels and the later years have the more basic wheel. Thx Andy
I think so, but by no means definitive.
The rim profile for the 36&37 model Elgin Bluebird, used the same Type that was used on the Schwinn Aerocycle.
 

Velocipedist Co.

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#90
Wheel question on 35 bluebirds vs. later years. Did only the 35 have triple step wheels and the later years have the more basic wheel. Thx Andy
I’ve been trying to wrap my head around the same question. Here are few original bluebirds with the earlier triple-step profile...
The red ones I think are ‘36 and the blue is maybe a ‘37?


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Mercian

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1937 og color. 1937 "B" serial number. But also a 1935 "N" serial number? And a "B11" any thoughts?
Hi,

Below is a link to some work I did on dating Westfield made bicycles. Post 11 is the most useful here:

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/westfield-frame-numbers-1933-1945.100743/

B11 is a BB code for a frame made in November 1935

N162009 is a frame number from very late in 1935.

For some reason, several N 1935 'Bluebirds', were renumberd with later frame numbers (those in brackets in my table), normally A for 1936. These may have been 'spare' frames that never left the factory, or unsold dealer samples, returned and refurbished to the new year colour etc. This seems to have been a unique 'Bluebird' thing, I've not seen it on any other Westfields.

B22978 is the first from 1937 that I've seen this happen to.

Best Regards,

Adrian
 

then8j

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Thank you for documenting this Adrian.

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Dear All,

Please find below Version 1 of a listing of known serial numbers and details of around 200 Westfields built between 1933 and 1945.

This has come from several sources, with various CABE members kindly supplying lists of their own, for which I thank them, as well as my own internet searches here and elsewhere.

The searches on CABE were mainly carried out using the Keywords ‘Columbia 1933’, ‘Columbia 1934’ etc., between 1933 and 1945. I estimate this led to me reading around 1000 topics, and 5000 e-mails for this first list. When I’ve recovered (!), I may go back and search again with other keywords (Elgin, Bluebird etc.). This could explain why your bike is not here if you look for it. If it is not here, or if it is, and you can supply further details, then please let me know here or by PM for a Version 2 list.

Since this is a Version 1, it is not perfect, and is here for corrections and additions to be made. I am not an expert in Westfields, you have (luckily!) Mr. Columbia for that. I was more interested in the frame and BB numbers for dating, but it made sense to collect the other information at the same time.

Types of bicycle are described as accurately as I can from the text, if you have a better identification, again, let me know.

Similarly, I know there are ‘collector’s terms’ for some of the different types of chainwheel. Where I know what these are, I have used them, otherwise they are my own description. Let me know, and I will happily change them to the accepted form.

Where I have not been able to verify information (even if I could guess what it was) then I have put N/K for not known. I hope you will fill in some of these spaces.

BB Codes; These appear to be year/month dating codes for the production of the frame.

A = 1934

B = 1935

C = 1936

D = 1937

E = 1938

F = 1939

G = 1940

H = 1941

I = Not Used

J = 1942

K = 1943

L = 1944

With the number 1 to 12 following indicating the month.

They start at A in 1934, and end in December 1944with some of these frames being built up in early 1945. I have not yet found an ‘A1’, but it may not exist, there is no reason to suppose they started the year with this coding system. But I would love to see one.

When placed in serial number order, the BB codes sometimes dart around a bit, but generally increase. This is probably due to the frames being held in stock after manufacture, then the serial number being stamped on when they started to be built up, from conversation with Mr. Columbia, just before the frame was painted. This is most obvious at year ends, where frames coded, for example L12 (December 1944) have early 1945 serial numbers.

The Prefix letter originally started out as a dating letter (L = 1933, etc.) but during wartime production this was not strictly adhered to, probably to help identify different customers or contracts. In 1943, which should have been prefix G, we see MG, MC, and W (and possibly others, yet to be identified due to the small sample here). The BB numbers remain constant through this period helping to accurately date the frames with unusual serial number.

I hope this is of some use to you.

Best Regards,

Adrian

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