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Thanks guys for all the advice, especially bloo and fattyre! These tubes do come off the bottom bracket off center. Also using a big square, I feel like I got better measurements and I'm really happy to say that the frame is pretty straight in an off center way, lol. This brings me a step closer to assembly.

Thanks again!
 
If it’s a Schwinn Cruiser ( 80-83 ) with no OG paint I wouldn’t spend much time straightening a $50 frame
 
Over the years I have aligned lots of Electro Forged frames, it's not difficult and most repairs will not even harm the original paint. They are very tough to bend out of alignment (abuse), and you are going to need way to secure the frame in order to bend it back into alignment. Always take the bike in question for a ride before you get too far into it. Can it be ridden "no hands"? Which way does it pull? You could be chasing a bent frame problem, but it might be a bent fork. Just make certain you know what is bent out of alignment before you start re-bending things. By far, the very best tool in a bicycle shop is a huge vise with 5" to 6" jaws. The vise needs to be securely mounted to the floor if you plan on doing any frame alignment bending in it. As the picture shows above, not all Schwinn frames have the seat mast and down tubes centered in the bottom bracket shell width. Remove the crank from the frame but leave the crank bearing cups in the frame for strength to the bottom bracket shell. Clamp the frame into the vise by the bearing cups. Before you remove the wheels and fork use a straight edge to check the alignment of the front wheel to the rear wheel. 1 1/2" extruded aluminum angle makes a perfect wheel alignment checker gauge. To check the front to rear alignment, run a common "kite string" from the left rear fork end up over the head tube and back down to the right rear fork end side surface. Use a metric caliper to measure the distance from the string to the seat tube on both sides, it should be the same. Note, you have to set or at least confirm the OLD (over lock nut distance) to be correct for your hubs before you check the frame alignment. When you set the OLD you have to know which direction you need to move the chain stays to keep the frame alignment. You cannot just use a section of thread-all rod to spread the fork ends. The right chain stay will always bend first since it has two dimples stamped into the stay. You can do a better job using a vise and a 4-foot section of 2 by 4 to make a "no paint damage", controlled bend.

Tools. You do not need much in special tools. A BIG F...ing Vise, a 6'-8' piece of extruded aluminum angle for a straight edge, some Kite String, a Metric Caliper (easier to read small numbers), a 4'-5' 2 by 4. Seriously, it's the all-time best frame bending tool. The wood will not scratch original paint, and the wood will not dent frame tubing, even thin wall Reynolds and Columbus tubing. The phrase is "cold setting" which looks much better on the customers repair bill, than just telling him we bent it back so don't leave your bike parked behind mom's car.

Park and Campy both have the fork end alignment tools which are a must have tool.
The Park Frame and Fork alignment tool is a must have tool.
The Park seat stay alignment tool is a must have tool.

Schwinn has included both Frame and Fork alignment in their service manuals and service bulletins over the years. It would be worth anyone's time to look up this old but still relevant information if you're tackling an alignment problem for the first time.

John
 
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Over the years I have aligned lots of Electro Forged frames, it's not difficult and most repairs will not even harm the original paint. They are very tough to bend out of alignment (abuse), and you are going to need way to secure the frame in order to bend it back into alignment. Always take the bike in question for a ride before you get too far into it. Can it be ridden "no hands"? Which way does it pull? You could be chasing a bent frame problem, but it might be a bent fork. Just make certain you know what is bent out of alignment before you start re-bending things. By far, the very best tool in a bicycle shop is a huge vise with 5" to 6" jaws. The vise needs to be securely mounted to the floor if you plan on doing any frame alignment bending in it. As the picture shows above, not all Schwinn frames have the seat mast and down tubes centered in the bottom bracket shell width. Remove the crank from the frame but leave the crank bearing cups in the frame for strength to the bottom bracket shell. Clamp the frame into the vise by the bearing cups. Before you remove the wheels and fork use a straight edge to check the alignment of the front wheel to the rear wheel. 1 1/2" extruded aluminum angle makes a perfect wheel alignment checker gauge. To check the front to rear alignment, run a common "kite string" from the left rear fork end up over the head tube and back down to the right rear fork end side surface. Use a metric caliper to measure the distance from the string to the seat tube on both sides, it should be the same. Note, you have to set or at least confirm the OLD (over lock nut distance) to be correct for your hubs before you check the frame alignment. When you set the OLD you have to know which direction you need to move the chain stays to keep the frame alignment. You cannot just use a section of thread-all rod to spread the fork ends. The right chain stay will always bend first since it has two dimples stamped into the stay. You can do a better job using a vise and a 4-foot section of 2 by 4 to make a "no paint damage", controlled bend.

Tools. You do not need much in special tools. A BIG F...ing Vise, a 6'-8' piece of extruded aluminum angle for a straight edge, some Kite String, a Metric Caliper (easier to read small numbers), a 4'-5' 2 by 4. Seriously, it's the all-time best frame bending tool. The wood will not scratch original paint, and the wood will not dent frame tubing, even thin wall Reynolds and Columbus tubing. The phrase is "cold setting" which looks much better on the customers repair bill, than just telling him we bent it back so don't leave your bike parked behind mom's car.

Park and Campy both have the fork end alignment tools which are a must have tool.
The Park Frame and Fork alignment tool is a must have tool.
The Park seat stay alignment tool is a must have tool.

Schwinn has included both Frame and Fork alignment in their service manuals and service bulletins over the years. It would be worth anyone's time to look up this old but still relevant information if you're tackling an alignment problem for the first time.

John

Thanks John. Lots of good stuff in your post. I'll keep it in mind.

BTW, did you work at Schwinn Sales West? I worked my way through college at Neil's Schwinn Cyclery on Euclid Street in Anaheim. I'm still in touch with 2 of the guys that I used to work with. It was the most fun job I ever had. It was also the worst paying job I ever had! lol
 
Thanks John. Lots of good stuff in your post. I'll keep it in mind.

BTW, did you work at Schwinn Sales West? I worked my way through college at Neil's Schwinn Cyclery on Euclid Street in Anaheim. I'm still in touch with 2 of the guys that I used to work with. It was the most fun job I ever had. It was also the worst paying job I ever had! lol
No one made any real money in the Bicycle Industry at any level, but it was a very rewarding way to earn a living. Looking back with 20-20 hindsight the best opportunity to make any "retirement money" was done by dealers that bought property and built buildings before things got crazy expensive. They used their cash flow running a bicycle dealership to pay off the building mortgage and build wealth.

You likely knew Dave Coombs at Dave's Schwinn, and Dave at Anaheim Schwinn all Schwinn Dealership's located in the City of Anaheim. Anaheim Dave was one of the early Vintage Bike Guys. Dave Coombs was a Schwinn Service Instructor before he opened his dealership. He was also heavy into restoring Model A Fords. Not many people know that at the beginning of the BMX era one of the really cool accessories every BMX kid "had to have" was Aluminum Fenders with a black strip of electrical tape down the middle. Dave Coombs was the manufacturer of those accessory fenders.

I hired into Schwinn Sales West in 1978 and I was one of three District Sales Rep's in Northern California, then transferred to Arizona as a District Sales Rep. When Paul Johansen left Schwinn for the Computer Industry, I was relocated from Arizona to Southern California and took over the Regional Manager position at SSW.

John
 
No one made any real money in the Bicycle Industry at any level, but it was a very rewarding way to earn a living. Looking back with 20-20 hindsight the best opportunity to make any "retirement money" was done by dealers that bought property and built buildings before things got crazy expensive. They used their cash flow running a bicycle dealership to pay off the building mortgage and build wealth.

You likely knew Dave Coombs at Dave's Schwinn, and Dave at Anaheim Schwinn all Schwinn Dealership's located in the City of Anaheim. Anaheim Dave was one of the early Vintage Bike Guys. Dave Coombs was a Schwinn Service Instructor before he opened his dealership. He was also heavy into restoring Model A Fords. Not many people know that at the beginning of the BMX era one of the really cool accessories every BMX kid "had to have" was Aluminum Fenders with a black strip of electrical tape down the middle. Dave Coombs was the manufacturer of those accessory fenders.

I hired into Schwinn Sales West in 1978 and I was one of three District Sales Rep's in Northern California, then transferred to Arizona as a District Sales Rep. When Paul Johansen left Schwinn for the Computer Industry, I was relocated from Arizona to Southern California and took over the Regional Manager position at SSW.

John
I didn't know Dave Coombs very well. If I recall correctly, I was told that Dave worked for a Schwinn shop in or near downtown Anaheim where he became like a son to the owner. A buddy of mine worked for Dave later when Dave owned the shop and it was relocated to Ball Road and State College Blvd. I knew Anaheim Dave a little better but still not that well. I could be wrong but I seem to recall that he relocated his shop to somewhere in Stanton but kept the name Anaheim Schwinn.

Wow, those seem like such distant times! You're a good man John. I wish the best for you.
 
I was thinking about it and I got it all mixed up - probably because I never knew the last names of the Daves. Anaheim Dave owned Anaheim Schwinn which relocated to Ball Road and State College. He did work for and bond with the previous owner of Anaheim Schwinn. Dave Coombs owned Dave's Schwinn that relocated to the city of Stanton.

Sorry about the misstatements!
 
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