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Here's the 1957 brochure and it says you have a choice of tires. I've never seen a T&C with balloon tires!

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This model was also called a Town and Country at different times. Not to be confused with the Town and Country model name on the Schwinn Tri Bike. Disneyland had a Schwinn "custom built" Town and Country built for three riders.

I agree with GTs58, I have never seen (or even heard of) a Ballon tired Schwinn tandem until the Twinn came out later with S-7 middleweight tires. The Town and Country was a hand built, really nice tandem, it was the forerunner to the Schwinn Paramount tandems.

Now for the downers. The T&C tandems had a really short top tube distance for the rear rider. The rear geometry was good for kids, or maybe a shorter woman. If you look closely, I think you will find your wheels are stamped S-4 and the tires will be marked 26 by 1 1/2" to fit a S-4 rim. This was a special tandem size. It looks like a lightweight, but is closer to the width of a middleweight tire, it does not interchange. They were very heavy duty almost like the 26" Southwest service lightweight tires. I do not know of a common replacement tire size that will fit a S-4 rim. You could relace your wheels and use the more common, but still difficult to source S5 or S6 rims/tires.

Although you have a pretty complete core bike to begin with lots of parts, if you choose to restore this bike back to original, it will be a very expensive bike to restore. In the end, Tandems in general do not re-sell for anything near what they cost to rebuild. I'm not sure why, because I love tandems. I had a very complete Town and Country (sold it), and still have a 1971 Paramount Tandem and Mini Twinn.

John
 
This model was also called a Town and Country at different times. Not to be confused with the Town and Country model name on the Schwinn Tri Bike. Disneyland had a Schwinn "custom built" Town and Country built for three riders.

I agree with GTs58, I have never seen (or even heard of) a Ballon tired Schwinn tandem until the Twinn came out later with S-7 middleweight tires. The Town and Country was a hand built, really nice tandem, it was the forerunner to the Schwinn Paramount tandems.

Now for the downers. The T&C tandems had a really short top tube distance for the rear rider. The rear geometry was good for kids, or maybe a shorter woman. If you look closely, I think you will find your wheels are stamped S-4 and the tires will be marked 26 by 1 1/2" to fit a S-4 rim. This was a special tandem size. It looks like a lightweight, but is closer to the width of a middleweight tire, it does not interchange. They were very heavy duty almost like the 26" Southwest service lightweight tires. I do not know of a common replacement tire size that will fit a S-4 rim. You could relace your wheels and use the more common, but still difficult to source S5 or S6 rims/tires.

Although you have a pretty complete core bike to begin with lots of parts, if you choose to restore this bike back to original, it will be a very expensive bike to restore. In the end, Tandems in general do not re-sell for anything near what they cost to rebuild. I'm not sure why, because I love tandems. I had a very complete Town and Country (sold it), and still have a 1971 Paramount Tandem and Mini Twinn.

John
Im glad you are a member of the cabe sir, its great to have someone who was on Schwinn's payroll here to fill in all the missing info on rare Schwinn bicycles. Since i think you are the only person i can ask. Is this bicycle something schwinn actually did? Or is this a total fake? Also what do you think of the sellers price?

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Im glad you are a member of the cabe sir, its great to have someone who was on Schwinn's payroll here to fill in all the missing info on rare Schwinn bicycles. Since i think you are the only person i can ask. Is this bicycle something schwinn actually did? Or is this a total fake? Also what do you think of the sellers price?

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#1 That's BS on the price. TOTAL BS! $22,000. The bike has no history, IMO.

#2 This bike is only about a mile or two from me (and my former boss Dave Staub), I have never seen it, nor have I ever heard anything about it. Those photos were taken in Old Town Orange, CA where we rode last weekend. Since it's so close to me tell them I would be happy to look it over in person, bring it by anytime.

#3 My former boss (now deceased) who worked for Schwinn Bicycle Company starting in 1963 knew nothing about this bike. We drove to work together 38 miles one way "every day", and all we talked about was "bicycles, and bicycle racing". He was the Schwinn Bicycle Company North Western Regional Manager in 1967. Sig Mork was before him, and when Sig was promoted, Dave took his position.

#4 Schwinn custom built "five or six" three seater's (late 50's early 60's and one was at Disneyland) but they were based on the older Town and Country model, just stretched. They did not look like the tandem in your photo. They used the T&C style chain guards. If Schwinn would have had an order for a custom built tandem, and "if" they would have been interested in building it, it would have been built in their Paramount Department. You can still contact Richard Schwinn at Waterford, WI. to confirm if Paramount built it in 1967. There's no reason why Schwinn would have used some modified stock production electro forged frames to build something like this. They had Frank Brilandro, head of their engineering department that would have his department design a custom unit using Town and Country or Paramount Tandem parts. Frank over saw custom building of the Schwinn Paramount Track Tandems that Schwinn donated every four years to the U.S. Olympic Team. Anything in a Custom Schwinn Tandem would have had his fingerprints and have come through the Paramount cage.

#5 Schwinn built several versions of the Twinn Tandem. They made Men's/Ladies, and Ladies/Ladies frames. They made frames for lightweight (1 1/4") wheels, and they made frames for the middleweight (1 3/4") wheels. They made single speed, two speed kick back automatics, and five speed derailer models. They made a Sting Ray Mini Twinn in 1968.

#6 If Schwinn would have built the bike in your photo, you can bet they would have engineered a better kickstand. The kickstand on the Town and Country models bolted to the crank excentric to make it more centrally mounted.

The frame in your photo looks like a garage fabricated frame to me. It looks like two Ladies/ladies Twinn frames welded together with top tubes added.

Just my opinion.

I did not start working for the Schwinn Family until 1978. My family operated Schwinn Dealerships since 1958.

By the way, were you aware that Schwinn's 125,000 square foot distribution center was in your back yard, at Rancho Cucamonga, CA.? It was just south of Foothill, very close to the Pro Ball Park.

John Palmer
 
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#1 That's BS on the price. TOTAL BS! $22,000. The bike has no history, IMO.

#2 This bike is only about a mile or two from me (and my former boss Dave Staub), I have never seen it, nor have I ever heard anything about it. Those photos were taken in Old Town Orange, CA where we rode last weekend. Since it's so close to me tell them I would be happy to look it over in person, bring it by anytime.

#3 My former boss (now deceased) who worked for Schwinn Bicycle Company starting in 1963 knew nothing about this bike. We drove to work together 38 miles one way "every day", and all we talked about was "bicycles, and bicycle racing". He was the Schwinn Bicycle Company North Western Regional Manager in 1967. Sig Mork was before him, and when Sig was promoted, Dave took his position.

#4 Schwinn custom built "five or six" three seater's (late 50's early 60's and one was at Disneyland) but they were based on the older Town and Country model, just stretched. They did not look like the tandem in your photo. They used the T&C style chain guards. If Schwinn would have had an order for a custom built tandem, and "if" they would have been interested in building it, it would have been built in their Paramount Department. You can still contact Richard Schwinn at Waterford, WI. to confirm if Paramount built it in 1967. There's no reason why Schwinn would have used some modified stock production electro forged frames to build something like this. They had Frank Brilandro, head of their engineering department that would have his department design a custom unit using Town and Country or Paramount Tandem parts. Frank over saw custom building of the Schwinn Paramount Track Tandems that Schwinn donated every four years to the U.S. Olympic Team. Anything in a Custom Schwinn Tandem would have had his fingerprints and have come through the Paramount cage.

#5 Schwinn built several versions of the Twinn Tandem. They made Men's/Ladies, and Ladies/Ladies frames. They made frames for lightweight (1 1/4") wheels, and they made frames for the middleweight (1 3/4") wheels. They made single speed, two speed kick back automatic's, and five speed derailer models. They made a Sting Ray Mini Twinn in 1968.

The frame in your photo looks like a garage fabricated frame to me. It looks like two Ladies/ladies Twinn frames welded together with top tubes added.

Just my opinion.

I did not start working for the Schwinn Family until 1978. My family operated Schwinn Dealerships since 1958.

By the way, were you aware that Schwinn's 125,000 square foot distribution center was in your back yard, at Rancho Cucamonga, CA.? It was just south of Foothill, very close to the Pro Ball Park.

John Palmer

I thought it looked funny!!!! For the very thing you said "top tubes added" Those top tubes look like someone added them so frame could take weight if indeed it can support the weight. I will take you up on your offer!!!! I will message them and say that me and my uncle are Schwinn fanatics and we would like to see it in person and will message you with a time and place they will meet you at
 
Im glad you are a member of the cabe sir, its great to have someone who was on Schwinn's payroll here to fill in all the missing info on rare Schwinn bicycles. Since i think you are the only person i can ask. Is this bicycle something schwinn actually did? Or is this a total fake? Also what do you think of the sellers price?

Check out this item on OfferUp. https://offerup.co/vjz8GINdxxb
Often at times a fake can be determined by pictures alone. In this case I would believe the opposite, the lack of crucial pics would lead me to think it is a fake. A few pictures of the owner smiling does not cut it. Close ups of the serial number and frame joints would give this one away. A $220 bike take a shot. A $22,000 bike I say take a walk.
 
Here's the 1957 brochure and it says you have a choice of tires. I've never seen a T&C with balloon tires!

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I have a 1948 from very old original owner that has balloon tires and front and rear drum brakes,.......


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I have a 1948 from very old original owner that has balloon tires and front and rear drum brakes,.......


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More pics, please? The S4 rims can be deceptive.
It would seem like the fork and rear stays would have to be wider and have more arc at the top than what I'm seeing. I've definitely tried putting a balloon tire in my tandem fork and it doesn't cooperate. I'm still holding hopes for a balloon Tandem!
 
More pics, please? The S4 rims can be deceptive.
It would seem like the fork and rear stays would have to be wider and have more arc at the top than what I'm seeing. I've definitely tried putting a balloon tire in my tandem fork and it doesn't cooperate. I'm still holding hopes for a balloon Tandem!
When the twins first came out in the early 60s they were equipped with S7 rims. Those can probably be converted to a balloon tire where as the later 70s models were lightweight tired.
 
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