Savage

[chitown]

I'm going to jump in and say that although it has many Miami characteristics, there is little know about some of the other possible suspects when it comes to manufacturers of such a wonderful frame as yours.

The fact that Savage is documented in the HP Snyder arsenal of head badges is particularly interesting to me and worth looking into more. We see those large diameter stay bridges and Miami comes to mind. I think we can rule out Schwinn, Iver Johnson and Westfield due to many examples of machines built by these companies in the teens don't have those beefy stay bridges. With HP Snyder it is clear as mud as to what a mid-teens Snyder frame looks like, yet they were a very active manufacturer in the teens. They were also known as a copy-cat manufacturer similar to the 30's where there are very similar frames built by both Cleveland Welding and HP Snyder that built for the same badged company.

Giving a positive ID to the manufacturer on this machine is difficult and best guesses might be as close as we can get at this point in teens bike identification on machines such as yours. I think Miami or Snyder are the more likely candidates than others. Some other long shots that it could be that little is know about is Consolidated Mfg and pre-Michigan City Excelsiors.

 

[hoofhearted]

.... partial quote ... ''Giving a positive ID to the manufacturer on this machine is difficult and best guesses might be as close as we can get at this point in teens bike identification on machines such as yours. I think Miami or Snyder are the more likely candidates than others. Some other long shots that it could be that little is know about is Consolidated Mfg and pre-Michigan City Excelsiors.''

I agree with your point of view, Chris.

And i know that you prefer to exhaust all other options
and variations before you make a pronouncement.

What caused me to indicate that the Savage is a Miami-Built
are those indicators you mention .. the stout fender bridges.

In addition there is that signature Miami-Built fork (crown).


........ patric

Just Above and Right Below ... Budget Bicycle Center

^^^ This foto via Nickinator ^^^

 

[frampton]

Thank you all for your insight, comments and the knowledge that you share. I got pretty excited when I saw the pictures of this bike. I had to drive quite a distance to buy it, but I am glad I made the effort. I will add pictures as I very lightly clean and change out the non era correct parts.

 

[hoofhearted]

Thank you all for your insight, comments and the knowledge that you share. I got pretty excited when I saw the pictures of this bike. I had to drive quite a distance to buy it, but I am glad I made the effort. I will add pictures as I very lightly clean and change out the non era correct parts.

Frampton ... please consider adding your pictures and
commentary to the Miami F-M thread (mentioned in entry 10
of this thread).

Documenting authentic and very unusual machines from
Miami Cycle is important, as that thread may hold the only
record of them.

Your Miami-Built is Fantastico .....

Thank You - Frampton .....


..... patric

 

[frampton]

Pictures of the serial number. Is there a compiled list of Miami serial numbers possibly dating my frame? I did a search and did not find one.

 

[hoofhearted]

Pictures of the serial number. Is there a compiled list of Miami serial numbers possibly dating my frame? I did a search and did not find one.

Frampton ... there is no Miami serial number list that i know of.


.......... patric

 

[frampton]

Thank you Patric.

 

[barracuda]

1908 - 1909:

 

[theterrym]

That badge would never be politically correct in today's standards with the "savage". Cool badge anyway!

Maybe the company was the family name. You know, just like Fred Savage from the Wonder years

 

[frampton]

Hey Barracuda, Thanks for posting the Savage ad. Looks like mine in a smaller frame size.