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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
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Fairborn, Ohio
Yup, been looking for that hard to find 1913-16 stand for my 1916 Chief for a couple of years now
The only ones I've ever seen .. since I got into
this stuff .. mid 80's ...... I scored on the same
Friday at MLC.

Maybe Fall Meet of 2013.

Two different sellers.

Ivo (CABEr balloontyre) was sitting shotgun in
my car (with me in the drivers seat) on the park-
ing lot ... yak yak yak yak ....

A passerby came up to the window and asked
me, ''what is this stand for ?''

I told him ... then asked if he wanted to sell it.

He set the price ... it was not cheap.

I bought it ... gave him an extra twenty-five sim-
oleons.

Am sharing this story ... not as an act of braggadocio,
but to remind others that the stuff IS out there.

Oddball ... I would let one go ... but they are destined
for two Miami-Builts. One is shown, below.

...... patric


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oddball

Finally riding a big boys bike
Jan 6, 2010
247
206
Long Beach, United States
I think twice or three times before I reproduce hard to find items like that stand, but there's a half a dozen of us with 1915 or 16 Chiefs in my area that could use em, so............
 

cyclingday

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 24, 2008
5,332
14,094
Costa Mesa, California. United States
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Model A 172 Dayton motor bike

Anyone know what the A denotes in this serial stamping? Based on reading here mine looks like a 1919 model with some of the optional black coloration... pictures to follow shortly

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Thanks Patric, I have to send some thanks your way as, you did helped i.d. this on for me. The frame and fender combo seems to be on the rare side. Also I would love to know what other color combos you have seen over the years? Your old white and blue frame and fork tells me they where not necessarily Davis line normal combos.
I'm working on what I think might be a
1921 H-D model 421 Motorcyke.
During disassembly, I took some photos of any stampings that I came across, and I was puzzled by what appears to be a letter A stamped on the bottom bracket.
The fork yoke has a letter B stamped on it.
Then I spotted something interesting that may or may not have any significance, but there is a corresponding letter A on the bottom bracket bearing adjusting race, and a letter B stamped on the headset adjusting race.
 
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Goldenindian

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Aug 31, 2014
757
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Marinette, Wisconsin
Hey Marty, the "A" makes things hard to pinpoint within three years. 1920-1922. I have a "A" Dayton, and recently got yet another "D" machine. I have been starting to take notice of these letter stamps on the forks as well. Never noticed the stamps on the hardware! Good eye! The plot thickens!
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Will post machine soon.
 
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redline1968

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Oct 16, 2008
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I'm working on what I think might be a
1921 H-D model 421 Motorcyke.
During disassembly, I took some photos of any stampings that I came across, and I was puzzled by what appears to be a letter A stamped on the bottom bracket.
The fork yoke has a letter B stamped on it.
Then I spotted something interesting that may or may not have any significance, but there is a corresponding letter A on the bottom bracket bearing adjusting race, and a letter B stamped on the headset adjusting race.

Wow nice.. paint looks like Harley to me.. I've done my own research on orig H.D. Frames numbers for years and seems that all the Harley's I've seen have the same.. a letter and serial number no extra numbers. It looks to me like black was the 2nd base color for the H.D. Green Paint color. Love to see more pics on this beauty.
 
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cyclingday

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 24, 2008
5,332
14,094
Costa Mesa, California. United States
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When I had the fork out of the head tube, I looked inside to see the swedge of the bottle cap type head badge, and I noticed the "Inside Dope" of the double locked head joint.
I wondered how they built a frame this way.
That 1920 Snell ad pretty much spelled it out.
Thanks for posting, Chitown.
 
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Goldenindian

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Aug 31, 2014
757
1,058
Marinette, Wisconsin
Thanks Marty for sharing. When we talked last I think I remember you mentioning this was a 1921 model Motocyke. From what I have seen, the 1920 and on Davis frames used for their bicycles don't seem to match yours. Notice the bottom bar. It has an upward angle, where yours appears to be paralell. I know the bicycle has a "A" on the bottom bracket. This all makes me think this is an 1918 Harley.....?......the construction does not have the 1920 or later traits for me. What do you think? also the seat lug would make sense for 1918.
 
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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
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Fairborn, Ohio
Thanks Marty for sharing. When we talked last I think I remember you mentioning this was a 1921 model Motocyke. From what I have seen, the 1920 and on Davis frames used for their bicycles don't seem to match yours. Notice the bottom bar. It has an upward angle, where yours appears to be paralell. I know the bicycle has a "A" on the bottom bracket. This all makes me think this is an 1918 Harley.....?......the construction does not have the 1920 or later traits for me. What do you think? also the seat lug would make sense for 1918.
Goldenindian ... I totally agree with your analysis
and findings.

There's another tell for 1918 ... the Davis of 1918
OFTEN, BUT NOT ALWAYS, was
blessed with Dayton-type axel adjusters.

Great sleuthing -- Goldenian !!

Marty -- absolutely bee-yoo-tee-full H-D you have.

AND ... ARE THOSE ALL-STEEL, LOW-PROFILE
CLINCHERS on that machine ??

Of course they be. The 1918 H-D Military-Model
came with same kind o' wheel .... Hmmm ..........

Nice ......

......... patric
 

cyclingday

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 24, 2008
5,332
14,094
Costa Mesa, California. United States
Thanks for the assessment guys.
I really appreciate it!
The bike was thought to be a 1919 when I bought it, but I thought it might be a tad later than that, only because it had the bottle cap type head badge and the all steel low profile clincher type rims.
I didn't know that those rims were a feature of the 1918 military model.
The one feature that the frame has, that seems to be of later Davis production, is the "double locked head joint construction"
The Snell ad that Chitown posted, says that this feature was new for 1920 models.
But, I've got to say, that 1918 advertisement sure looks like the bike.
I guess the one thing we know for sure, is that it is a Davis made Harley Davidson bicycle.
Lol!
 

hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
3,565
4,465
Fairborn, Ohio
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Have been meaning to post Goldenindian's magnificent
1919 Davis-Built turned relic ... WITH ... two genuine art-
icles I own.

Did not get the badge from the same source as the ring ...
but I wanted each in relic-condition for the better part of
a quarter-century. Never thought something like these
were even out there ... but here they be .......

When I saw that Goldenindian posted his '19 Davis for the
first time ... my socks began going up and down for maybe
thirty-seconds.

Connectivity ... yeah .. I love that stuff .......

......... patric


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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
3,565
4,465
Fairborn, Ohio

Kato ... yours is a classically-built Davis,
Yale or Dayton .. depending on what color
the factory painted the machine .. and which
chainring was installed.

Those ''Dayton''- type axel adjusters are not
found on each and every Yale machine ... but
the residual blue-paint .. as seen on the crank-
case, screams - YALE !!

The non-truss ''Dayton''- type fork ... as well as
the Davis, truss and non-truss fork had been a
factory option for the Yale motorbike since Davis
bought the Yale and Snell marques from Consoli-
dated Mfg. Co.
... of Toledo ... in 1916.

If your next quest is a Yale badge for your machine ...
AVOID the screw-hole type. Davis NEVER applied
a Yale badge on a Yale machine using screws.

A Yale badge with screw-holes is ALWAYS a post-
Davis, Shelby-Built thang.

Nice ride .......

........ patric
 

Kato

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dec 10, 2011
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52
Cincinnati, OH
Patric - Thank you very much for the info on the bike !!!
I wish it had the Yale badge.......and yep no smalls holes - it needs the button style.
I'm amazed how solid the bike is - wheels are crazy true and spin great........and brake works awesome.
 

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