Corbin & New Departure Hub Dating Project - Need everyone's help pre-1933

Discussion in 'Antique Bicycles Pre-1933' started by Gary Mc, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. #341 Posted Apr 20, 2015

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  2. #342 Posted May 14, 2015

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    I am finishing a 1901 Crescent number 31 and it came to me with a New Departure coaster hub on it's wooden rim. It's not marked A and there are no marks on the curved hubshell either but still fairly certain that's what it is. FWIW there is no grease port and there is a screw adjustment at the tip of the brakearm. At first I assumed it was a much later hub, then read this sticky and think perhaps it may be the original hub. I found a mention on a wheelemn thread of a 1900 Crescent catalog that offered a coaster brake option for $5. I have not seen the catalog so I can't 100% confirm. Is is possible that this particular ND hub is the correct hub when this bike was new?
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    noticed on my early tandem the rear is corbin/ departure what is the year? 1900? ill send photos if needed
     
  4. #344 Posted Oct 19, 2015

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    Just pulled this New departure duplex hub out of my collections it has a number 0977 stamped above the word duplex if you can see it!
     
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    This was Gazube's now mine so I thought I would post a picture
     
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  7. #347 Posted Mar 18, 2016

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    Is this helpful at all. On a rim hanging in the garage 20160318_225031.jpg 20160318_225021.jpg 20160318_225005.jpg 20160318_224959.jpg
     
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  8. #348 Posted Mar 25, 2016

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    Hello!
    A while ago i bought this Model A Hub and i have an inner part who came with an chainless Bike (Dürkopp). But i dont think it belongs there ot if they were ever fixed onto German bikes al all. Actually i searched the Internet for an while but the only Bicycle i found with a chainless Model A Hub was a Pierce from USA ( if i remember the Name right). I noticed slingt differences between the two hubs. Does that help in Dating the Hub more exactly? Can i combine the hubshell with the chainless inner parts, or has the hubshell changed over the Years slightly too?
    Best regards Jürgen

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  9. #349 Posted May 15, 2016
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    Hello,

    I'm collecting bikes from Peugeot (pre 1920). If you bought a Peugeot in these days you had the choice of different parts from a list in the catalogue as brakes, hubs etc. Peugeot always offered different hubs like the Peugeots hubs, Eadie, Torpedo (german) etc. and also New Departure.

    I have three Peugeots with ND hubs. One is build 1902/3, another 1904 and the third around 1916. The older ones have Model A hubs with the first inscription on the brake lever and no oiler port (see picture).
    The younger bike has a early Model C(?) build in. It's a bit different to the usual (younger) Model C hubs f.e. the brake lever. But see the pictures.

    Here in Europe you cannot find parts for ND so I must import them from the States. For the Model C I ordered new brake disks and a new clutch spring.

    Hope that helps a bit to date these nice hubs.

    Thomas

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  10. #350 Posted May 16, 2016
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    A little correction: The younger bike should be dated 1916-1918. During this period the frame numbers for Peugeot bikes are not so clear as in other times because of the 1. world war. So the ND hub could be made 1918 as well.
     
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  11. #351 Posted Jul 11, 2016

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    what page is new departure witch ad on
     
  12. #352 Posted Sep 17, 2016

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    Hi, I have a hub to show that is internaly very much the same as the New departure A hub but is also different
    in some parts.
    The brake arm is not original It was lost in the years so I made a new one .I do think the way of mounting is correct. The pins that come out of the
    brake part are about 6,5 mm long so longer than the ones from the A hube and the nickel plated end cap (next to the shell) has no tooth for a model A brake arm.

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    The brake hub is part of a Dutch (like me) Fongers bicycle that was delivered first time on 6 july 1903 to Miss H.M.Dane living in Rotterdam.
    However it is not sure the hub was in this bicycle from the start. The spokes are a bit to short and that is not factory like to do that with there new
    and expensive products. All parts are marked F4 in as the photo below shows

    Als strange is the shape of the shell.Not the round lines of the A hub but more the straight form of it`s predecessors.

    If any one can tell what this for kind of hub is and/ ore have seen the small F4 ore similar number on other hubs,it would be good to read about.

    Best regards,
    Maarten


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  13. #353 Posted Oct 7, 2016

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    I have a ND WL front hub and ND Model C rear hub. I'm trying to pinpoint year of mfg. Pretty sure it's a Elgin. According to the previous post the earliest year for the Model C is 1920, but I can't find anything on the WL front hub. Any help would be appreciated.
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  14. #354 Posted Oct 7, 2016

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    I have this same hub on a 1899 During. It is the original one as far as I know.
     
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    Nice early New Departure, 40 hole, British market hub. IMG_1934.JPG IMG_1935.JPG
     
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    Great!.
    So now the second survivor of this type is shown here.
    Very welcome to see the real brake arm with its inscriptions.
     
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  17. #357 Posted Oct 11, 2016

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    I have a 1929 Westfield with a Model C rear hub which is period correct. The wheels were changed out in 1944 to 26" pneumatic. They were originally 28", so the spokes and all were changed. I noticed the brake arm was a Model D. I searched through Russell's barn today and I found a can of parts. There were 11 1/2" spokes with nipples, a skip tooth rear axle and sprocket (no housing), a old pedal and some other miscellaneous parts. There was a brake arm that only says New Departure and below the New Departure it says "Brake". There is no model on it. Would that have been the original arm from the Model C?
     
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    Found one of these hubs. I see someone posted the same one early on in this post. I found out yesterday via Larkin Little that it was an Iver Johnson special makeup in 1908.

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