Corbin & New Departure Hub Dating Project - Need everyone's help pre-1933


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bikiba

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"New Departure Coaster, P.&F.Corbin. New Britain Conn.U.S.A." on cast brake arm aka "1902 Model" & Model No. 5 - 1902 (Post #264; cat. Post #280; cast brake arm, straight hub shell)

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dnc1

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Apr 1, 2016
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1902 model.
40 spoke hole model, for English market?
Thick sprocket.
Thanks to @ejlwheels for guiding me here.
Hub has been blasted and re-nickeled.

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Brian R.

Finally riding a big boys bike
Oct 16, 2015
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Toronto, Canada
On Arm: "New Departure Pat No 20891 1898 21038 1900"
I've tried to find this hub on this thread, this site, and parts catalogues and can't find it. It doesn't have the tiny teeth on the brake arm and disc with three holes (parts A10 and A9 respectively). Instead it has a brake arm with three holes. It came on a bike I acquired recently which is in very original condition, and laced into a Lobdell steel lined wood rim with the patent date July 19, 1910. At first I thought this was an older version but the NOS 1908 hub posted by Pelletman in post #5 has the little teeth. The bike is a Hyslop, "manufactured" in Toronto sometime in the teens using rims and other parts sourced from the US. Would it have been cheaper to manufacture the hub without the teeth? Perhaps it was a cheaper version of the Model A used to compete in export markets? I was not able to find those patent numbers on the 'Net so I don't know if they are US patents or Canadian. Another possible explanation is that New Departure had the patent for the little teeth in the US but someone else held a similar patent in Canada.

I was hoping dating the hub could help me date the bike, but no luck so far. If anyone has any information, other theories, or pictures, please post. If someone can find those patent numbers that would be great too! Attached are photos of the hub and the bike it came on. The hub looks a bit gold in colour and I think a previous owner coated it with varnish or shellac.

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ccmerz

Finally riding a big boys bike
May 1, 2009
391
465
Belleville, Canada
Bought this wood wheel set (back shown). It is a 40 hole (front 32, I think) laced to the remainder of a new Departure shell.
What bike would this have been laced to? The only one I have seen with this configuration.
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oldy57

Finally riding a big boys bike
Jan 8, 2008
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178
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
On Arm: "New Departure Pat No 20891 1898 21038 1900"
I've tried to find this hub on this thread, this site, and parts catalogues and can't find it. It doesn't have the tiny teeth on the brake arm and disc with three holes (parts A10 and A9 respectively). Instead it has a brake arm with three holes. It came on a bike I acquired recently which is in very original condition, and laced into a Lobdell steel lined wood rim with the patent date July 19, 1910. At first I thought this was an older version but the NOS 1908 hub posted by Pelletman in post #5 has the little teeth. The bike is a Hyslop, "manufactured" in Toronto sometime in the teens using rims and other parts sourced from the US. Would it have been cheaper to manufacture the hub without the teeth? Perhaps it was a cheaper version of the Model A used to compete in export markets? I was not able to find those patent numbers on the 'Net so I don't know if they are US patents or Canadian. Another possible explanation is that New Departure had the patent for the little teeth in the US but someone else held a similar patent in Canada.

I was hoping dating the hub could help me date the bike, but no luck so far. If anyone has any information, other theories, or pictures, please post. If someone can find those patent numbers that would be great too! Attached are photos of the hub and the bike it came on. The hub looks a bit gold in colour and I think a previous owner coated it with varnish or shellac.

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Have a look at post 352 and 355. I had the bike in 355 and sold it last spring. British bike, probably Humber from what I could find. It is now in Toronto.
 

SKPC

Finally riding a big boys bike
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New Departure solid bar hourglass "M" Front that came with the Model D w/o oiler. (late 32/early 33 1st version D?) The bike the wheelset came on is a late 1933 Colson Motorbike. Early nickeled clincher 26" Lobdel's were laced to these hubs w/14/16 gage spokes. These 26" Lobdel rims were started up around late1933 through the mid-30's. Most examples were early 30's bikes that I've seen.
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cyclingday

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 24, 2008
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A big thank you, shout out to Ed "Catfish" Popowitz for helping me get these two hubs mated up.
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These are labeled as Deluxe model D and Deluxe model WD.
I had only seen one other large flange New Departure hub before, and it was marked General Motors Corporation.
I had never heard of a Deluxe model D or WD hubset before.
Has anyone seen any literature on this hubset before?
I haven't explored the possibility of the front brake or two speed kits yet, but I suspect that they are both compatible.
 

fordmike65

Riding a '37 Colson Imperial
Mar 4, 2012
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A big thank you, shout out to Ed "Catfish" Popowitz for helping me get these two hubs mated up.
View attachment 801069 View attachment 801068 These are labeled as Deluxe model D and Deluxe model WD.
I had only seen one other large flange New Departure hub before, and it was marked General Motors Corporation.
I had never heard of a Deluxe model D or WD hubset before.
Has anyone seen any literature on this hubset before?
I haven't explored the possibility of the front brake or two speed kits yet, but I suspect that they are both compatible.
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rustjunkie

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A big thank you, shout out to Ed "Catfish" Popowitz for helping me get these two hubs mated up.
View attachment 801069 View attachment 801068 These are labeled as Deluxe model D and Deluxe model WD.
I had only seen one other large flange New Departure hub before, and it was marked General Motors Corporation.
I had never heard of a Deluxe model D or WD hubset before.
Has anyone seen any literature on this hubset before?
I haven't explored the possibility of the front brake or two speed kits yet, but I suspect that they are both compatible.

Great find! The first one I ever saw (and only one I ever got) was on a ~1940 Schwinn Ranger at Memory Lane in the last 1990s, it was a DeLuxe WD. The bike was a a roller w/o any sheet metal.
Located a DeLuxe D with help from some friends and put the set on the Alexander Rocket. Never have seen another until now.

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Jesse McCauley

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Mar 5, 2013
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Richmond, VA & Detroit, MI
Yup, Pre 33, hour glass style, 36 hole hub, no oil port on the one I have. I'm told that a pre 33 model BM also exisists.
I found a hub that I believe is pre 33' and stamped New Departure Model B.M. - doesn't look like there is much info about them huh?
 

Jesse McCauley

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Mar 5, 2013
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Richmond, VA & Detroit, MI
Pre 33’ nickel plated New Departure Model B.M.

Side by side with a later chrome plated ND S.M. they are nearly identical in construction save for the oil port & slide cover.

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