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Good day,

I'm usually a pretty observant fellow, not a 100% purist, but like stuff for work and be correct. I bought a beautiful ( told 1938) Bluebird off some reputable members ( coming up 3 years this Sept.) for substantial $$ and ( this is crazy, I've owned a Twin Bar over 35 years, several other Elgins, worked on many) just noticed it has New Departure hubs on it!! Am I on glue or what? I was about to upgrade the Allstate tires and put the speedo basket on that I have not been motivated to install, ( or did the last owner obviously..lol) look closer and go WTF? I've often admired the bike/it's in the dining room now ( I have several nice bikes after collecting over 40 years) but obvioulsy wasn't connecting the dots.

Stupid question for an obviously stupid person. Surely all pre-war ( and some post war) top end Elgins came with finned "air cooled/usually grease nippled" front and rear hubs? Why would someone who spent serious $$ restoring a top end ( ok, with our Canadian dollar it works out to almost $23,000.00 Cdn. out of my pocket) bike with incorrect hubs? I don't know who restored it, but that's no longer an issue. I'm not angry with the seller or the restorer, but want to make it correct. I had another high end restoration's paint on another hefty $$ price tag ( same ballpark$$) buy start peeling and flaking off this year too.

Cabers, please confirm ( I'm 99% sure, but feeling not so swift lately) that the Elgin Bluebird came EXCLUSIVELY with finned front and rear hubs. Also, does anyone have excellent 36 hole serviced/restored hubs they would sell ( I can and have restored these hubs and the Musselman/but prefer not to/service, I'm ok to do/plating and parts/ no patience anymore). I had some a few years back, but of course sold them. I feel a little sick. My double drop center rims ( I'll assume are correct?) are a bit pitted so I suppose I'd consider a correct set of restored or original excellent complete wheels. Cachinggging $$$ Crap......

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Hello...

I've been collecting and restoring Elgin Bluebird bicycles longer than anyone breathing. And I have owned more than anyone– no matter who says what or who does not like it or thinks this is "bragging." This is a FACT.

We introduced collectors to the Elgin Bluebird back in the 1970s and 1980s in Classic Bicycle & Whizzer News– the hobby's FIRST newsletter on classic bicycles. We even did a pictorial "How To" article on reproducing ACCURATE rings for the Bluebird grips. What? Folks don't remember?????

MOST of the "experts" on Bluebirds today are NOT experts. Just folks repeating and following the same silly stories and myths. So. We're gonna do a Christmas present here for everyone reading– including the "experts" and the folks who think they are.

Based on the photos posted, Here is some ACCURATE ELGIN BLUEBIRD HISTORY copyright © Leon Dixon 1975, 1985, 2024– no guesses, no "click this link"... and no myths and no "my buddy has a photocopy" schizznet!

1.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with finned hubs.
2.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with red paint on the fender ornament.
3.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with their pedal treads turned sideways.
4.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebird saddles all came with metal wear studs on their sides.
5.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebird saddles all came in light brown color.

• Unless someone has changed the toolbox door, the appearance here would make this Bluebird 1936. NOT 1937. Serial number or no serial number. The 1937 housing was very different and easily discernable. The 1935 door was DIFFERENT! After all these years, the hobby still has not learned these basic facts! By the way... the knob on the door appears to be wrong– as 99% are today– including the "reproductions"...

• The front hub on the Bluebird here... the front is totally incorrect. It should neither be a New Departure hub, nor should it be without an Alemite grease fitting. By the way, someone on the CABE only recently showed us a correct (they don't know this) front hub WITH Alemite fitting for a Bluebird. That hub should be available reasonably from this source.

• The rear hub is perfectly legitimate (WITH EXCEPTIONS) for 1935, but not 1936 or later. However, the proper 1935 and 1936 BLUEBIRD New Departure had a specially-bent brake arm (should kick out to lessen stress on the frame). This one does not. Now... for 1936... as suicidal as grease was for the New Departure Model D, the Bluebird version as of 1936 had an Alemite grease fitting. ALL Bluebirds as of 1936 came with Alemite grease fittings and a miniature Alemite grease gun was supplied with the bicycle. BOTH 1935 AND 1936 Bluebirds came optional with a SPECIAL Morrow rear coaster hub. The shell of this hub was a different design from other Morrows and the 1936 version came fitted with an Alemite grease fitting.

• ALL Bluebird rear hubs originally were fitted with an extra-long axle and FOUR (4) axle nuts (two per side). Why? To accommodate the very wide frame and to hold the legs of the rear carrier. One nut INSIDE the carrier to secure the wheel... one nut OUTSIDE of the carrier leg to secure the carrier. Of course this is not what we see here.

• The Lobdell "stepside" (that's what yours truly and many old bicycle dealers back in the day used to call them instead of all the multiple names the hobby has concocted in recent years) rims are correct for 1935 and 1936.

• Rear carrier here appears to be a modified Skylark unit with filler at the tops of the legs (never had that) where they join the top stamping. The tongue of the carrier is also missing the extra curve sweep at the forward end as a Bluebird carrier would normally have.

• See those pedals pointed up at the sky? Unmolested Bluebird pedals NEVER did this. Somewhere years ago a big collector got the bright idea to twist his Bluebird pedal rubber treads SIDEWAYS– a way HE thought they "looked better." He then told everyone "That's the way they are supposed to be!" Ever since then, collectors, museums, books, newsletters ALL adopted this same ding-dong-dopey idea. So? Now the pedals have ALL gone kittywhampus and point in any direction. The wise people who designed these pedals originally intended for them to hang LEVEL... to complete the look of STREAMLINING. Not to make them look clunky and kadiddly. The flat CHUNKS on the pedal treads of ORIGINAL Bluebird pedals contained WEIGHTS. WHY? To keep the pedals HORIZONTAL... LEVEL. So they REALLY looked better and functioned better. But nobody knows this today and the twisted tread "rule" is blindly followed. People will even argue this silliness into the ground!

• That fender ornament with the red paint... just plain WRONG. A few years ago... somebody repopped a 1936-1/2 or 1937 ornament from an "Opalescent Blue" Bluebird. It had red paint on it. IMMEDIATELY every Bluebird ornament since then turns up slathered in red paint. Sorry. The original 1935 and 1936 ornaments were trimmed in BLACK paint, not red.

• The butterscotch saddle. Original Bluebird saddles were dark brown– always. WITH NO METAL WEAR STUDS (these did not appear until 1936-1/2). Yours truly supplied the original "TROXEL" stamp to to Jim Bailey for his very first Bluebird/Twin-60 saddle recover job decades ago. We still have the original artwork for that stamp.

• Red trim on this bicycle: Whoever did it made the red tank spears wayyy too fat and completely forgot to do the little bulge outline pinstripes. They're not there!

There are other points that could be made and more unknown facts about the Bluebirds revealed. But we'll save those for another time.

Meanwhile, you're welcome.

Leon Dixon
National Bicycle History Archive of America
(NBHAA.com)

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Looks like two sets of serial numbers,
an “A” series and an “N” series.

A-144,622
N-119,780
B-9

Some 1935–N Westfield bikes also have a separate “B” stamp with a single digit.

@Mercian

When some characters are stamped upside down, it makes it more difficult to read the numbers from left to right, (because we might not know which of the characters are upside down or right side up)?
 
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The B9 is a September built bike. You will see a lot of strange stuff when it comes to the serial numbers on these bikes. If you really want to geek out on Bluebird stuff check this out.

Thanks Shawn! Amazing, I just skimmed some of the info ( attached thread above), so many variations in years and bikes within years from what I gathered? My bottom bracket looks like Alphabet and numerical soup by Heinz. I'll go with it's a '37 and the ND hubs are acceptable. I wasn't under the impression it was a 100 point ( out of 100) correct resto, as I'm not that fussy. You made me feel better about the bike too. Thanks.
 
Hello...

I've been collecting and restoring Elgin Bluebird bicycles longer than anyone breathing. And I have owned more than anyone– no matter who says what or who does not like it or thinks this is "bragging." This is a FACT.

We introduced collectors to the Elgin Bluebird back in the 1970s and 1980s in Classic Bicycle & Whizzer News– the hobby's FIRST newsletter on classic bicycles. We even did a pictorial "How To" article on reproducing ACCURATE rings for the Bluebird grips. What? Folks don't remember?????

MOST of the "experts" on Bluebirds today are NOT experts. Just folks repeating and following the same silly stories and myths. So. We're gonna do a Christmas present here for everyone reading– including the "experts" and the folks who think they are.

Based on the photos posted, Here is some ACCURATE ELGIN BLUEBIRD HISTORY copyright © Leon Dixon 1975, 1985, 2024– no guesses, no "click this link"... and no myths and no "my buddy has a photocopy" schizznet!

1.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with finned hubs.
2.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with red paint on the fender ornament.
3.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with their pedal treads turned sideways.
4.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebird saddles all came with metal wear studs on their sides.
5.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebird saddles all came in light brown color.

• Unless someone has changed the toolbox door, the appearance here would make this Bluebird 1936. NOT 1937. Serial number or no serial number. The 1937 housing was very different and easily discernable. The 1935 door was DIFFERENT! After all these years, the hobby still has not learned these basic facts! By the way... the knob on the door appears to be wrong– as 99% are today– including the "reproductions"...

• The front hub on the Bluebird here... the front is totally incorrect. It should neither be a New Departure hub, nor should it be without an Alemite grease fitting. By the way, someone on the CABE only recently showed us a correct (they don't know this) front hub WITH Alemite fitting for a Bluebird. That hub should be available reasonably from this source.

• The rear hub is perfectly legitimate (WITH EXCEPTIONS) for 1935, but not 1936 or later. However, the proper 1935 and 1936 BLUEBIRD New Departure had a specially-bent brake arm (should kick out to lessen stress on the frame). This one does not. Now... for 1936... as suicidal as grease was for the New Departure Model D, the Bluebird version as of 1936 had an Alemite grease fitting. ALL Bluebirds as of 1936 came with Alemite grease fittings and a miniature Alemite grease gun was supplied with the bicycle. BOTH 1935 AND 1936 Bluebirds came optional with a SPECIAL Morrow rear coaster hub. The shell of this hub was a different design from other Morrows and the 1936 version came fitted with an Alemite grease fitting.

• ALL Bluebird rear hubs originally were fitted with an extra-long axle and FOUR (4) axle nuts (two per side). Why? To accommodate the very wide frame and to hold the legs of the rear carrier. One nut INSIDE the carrier to secure the wheel... one nut OUTSIDE of the carrier leg to secure the carrier. Of course this is not what we see here.

• The Lobdell "stepside" (that's what yours truly and many old bicycle dealers back in the day used to call them instead of all the multiple names the hobby has concocted in recent years) rims are correct for 1935 and 1936.

• Rear carrier here appears to be a modified Skylark unit with filler at the tops of the legs (never had that) where they join the top stamping. The tongue of the carrier is also missing the extra curve sweep at the forward end as a Bluebird carrier would normally have.

• See those pedals pointed up at the sky? Unmolested Bluebird pedals NEVER did this. Somewhere years ago a big collector got the bright idea to twist his Bluebird pedal rubber treads SIDEWAYS– a way HE thought they "looked better." He then told everyone "That's the way they are supposed to be!" Ever since then, collectors, museums, books, newsletters ALL adopted this same ding-dong-dopey idea. So? Now the pedals have ALL gone kittywhampus and point in any direction. The wise people who designed these pedals originally intended for them to hang LEVEL... to complete the look of STREAMLINING. Not to make them look clunky and kadiddly. The flat CHUNKS on the pedal treads of ORIGINAL Bluebird pedals contained WEIGHTS. WHY? To keep the pedals HORIZONTAL... LEVEL. So they REALLY looked better and functioned better. But nobody knows this today and the twisted tread "rule" is blindly followed. People will even argue this silliness into the ground!

• That fender ornament with the red paint... just plain WRONG. A few years ago... somebody repopped a 1936-1/2 or 1937 ornament from an "Opalescent Blue" Bluebird. It had red paint on it. IMMEDIATELY every Bluebird ornament since then turns up slathered in red paint. Sorry. The original 1935 and 1936 ornaments were trimmed in BLACK paint, not red.

• The butterscotch saddle. Original Bluebird saddles were dark brown– always. WITH NO METAL WEAR STUDS (these did not appear until 1936-1/2). Yours truly supplied the original "TROXEL" stamp to to Jim Bailey for his very first Bluebird/Twin-60 saddle recover job decades ago. We still have the original artwork for that stamp.

• Red trim on this bicycle: Whoever did it made the red tank spears wayyy too fat and completely forgot to do the little bulge outline pinstripes. They're not there!

There are other points that could be made and more unknown facts about the Bluebirds revealed. But we'll save those for another time.

Meanwhile, you're welcome.

Leon Dixon
National Bicycle History Archive of America
(NBHAA.com)

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Thanks Leon, You are still my hero from decades back/ you taught me lots. We have chatted on the phone, exchanged pictures and emails going back to the 80's, I still have albums with some of your pictures you mailed me snail mail before personal computers, your '71 Challenger, cutaway displays, shaft drive Robin etc. , here's a few. (pen blocked off a personal comment nobodies beezwax).

I appreciate your assessment of my Bluebird or Bluemutt. I now feel better about the ND hubs anyway, the other schlockobogus details don't bother me much as it's not that important the bike is 100% perfect. It's a Bluebird and sits in my dining room, and I see it every day, that's all that matters.

I have other hobbies and don't stress about the tiny details, even on my 1961 and 1963 numbers matching Corvettes. They are drivers. Corvette people are SUPER anal. Here are my other rides, I know you love cars. I'm not boasting here, just showing you what I've shown others on the Cabe. These are my passion, and I have other passions as well. Being a crazy collector has it's moments. The kids are my Son ( he's 32 now) on the left, and my Grandson who is 3 pushing the buttons on the toy outboards.

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Hello...

I've been collecting and restoring Elgin Bluebird bicycles longer than anyone breathing. And I have owned more than anyone– no matter who says what or who does not like it or thinks this is "bragging." This is a FACT.

We introduced collectors to the Elgin Bluebird back in the 1970s and 1980s in Classic Bicycle & Whizzer News– the hobby's FIRST newsletter on classic bicycles. We even did a pictorial "How To" article on reproducing ACCURATE rings for the Bluebird grips. What? Folks don't remember?????

MOST of the "experts" on Bluebirds today are NOT experts. Just folks repeating and following the same silly stories and myths. So. We're gonna do a Christmas present here for everyone reading– including the "experts" and the folks who think they are.

Based on the photos posted, Here is some ACCURATE ELGIN BLUEBIRD HISTORY copyright © Leon Dixon 1975, 1985, 2024– no guesses, no "click this link"... and no myths and no "my buddy has a photocopy" schizznet!

1.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with finned hubs.
2.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with red paint on the fender ornament.
3.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebirds all came with their pedal treads turned sideways.
4.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebird saddles all came with metal wear studs on their sides.
5.) It is a complete MYTH that Bluebird saddles all came in light brown color.

• Unless someone has changed the toolbox door, the appearance here would make this Bluebird 1936. NOT 1937. Serial number or no serial number. The 1937 housing was very different and easily discernable. The 1935 door was DIFFERENT! After all these years, the hobby still has not learned these basic facts! By the way... the knob on the door appears to be wrong– as 99% are today– including the "reproductions"...

• The front hub on the Bluebird here... the front is totally incorrect. It should neither be a New Departure hub, nor should it be without an Alemite grease fitting. By the way, someone on the CABE only recently showed us a correct (they don't know this) front hub WITH Alemite fitting for a Bluebird. That hub should be available reasonably from this source.

• The rear hub is perfectly legitimate (WITH EXCEPTIONS) for 1935, but not 1936 or later. However, the proper 1935 and 1936 BLUEBIRD New Departure had a specially-bent brake arm (should kick out to lessen stress on the frame). This one does not. Now... for 1936... as suicidal as grease was for the New Departure Model D, the Bluebird version as of 1936 had an Alemite grease fitting. ALL Bluebirds as of 1936 came with Alemite grease fittings and a miniature Alemite grease gun was supplied with the bicycle. BOTH 1935 AND 1936 Bluebirds came optional with a SPECIAL Morrow rear coaster hub. The shell of this hub was a different design from other Morrows and the 1936 version came fitted with an Alemite grease fitting.

• ALL Bluebird rear hubs originally were fitted with an extra-long axle and FOUR (4) axle nuts (two per side). Why? To accommodate the very wide frame and to hold the legs of the rear carrier. One nut INSIDE the carrier to secure the wheel... one nut OUTSIDE of the carrier leg to secure the carrier. Of course this is not what we see here.

• The Lobdell "stepside" (that's what yours truly and many old bicycle dealers back in the day used to call them instead of all the multiple names the hobby has concocted in recent years) rims are correct for 1935 and 1936.

• Rear carrier here appears to be a modified Skylark unit with filler at the tops of the legs (never had that) where they join the top stamping. The tongue of the carrier is also missing the extra curve sweep at the forward end as a Bluebird carrier would normally have.

• See those pedals pointed up at the sky? Unmolested Bluebird pedals NEVER did this. Somewhere years ago a big collector got the bright idea to twist his Bluebird pedal rubber treads SIDEWAYS– a way HE thought they "looked better." He then told everyone "That's the way they are supposed to be!" Ever since then, collectors, museums, books, newsletters ALL adopted this same ding-dong-dopey idea. So? Now the pedals have ALL gone kittywhampus and point in any direction. The wise people who designed these pedals originally intended for them to hang LEVEL... to complete the look of STREAMLINING. Not to make them look clunky and kadiddly. The flat CHUNKS on the pedal treads of ORIGINAL Bluebird pedals contained WEIGHTS. WHY? To keep the pedals HORIZONTAL... LEVEL. So they REALLY looked better and functioned better. But nobody knows this today and the twisted tread "rule" is blindly followed. People will even argue this silliness into the ground!

• That fender ornament with the red paint... just plain WRONG. A few years ago... somebody repopped a 1936-1/2 or 1937 ornament from an "Opalescent Blue" Bluebird. It had red paint on it. IMMEDIATELY every Bluebird ornament since then turns up slathered in red paint. Sorry. The original 1935 and 1936 ornaments were trimmed in BLACK paint, not red.

• The butterscotch saddle. Original Bluebird saddles were dark brown– always. WITH NO METAL WEAR STUDS (these did not appear until 1936-1/2). Yours truly supplied the original "TROXEL" stamp to to Jim Bailey for his very first Bluebird/Twin-60 saddle recover job decades ago. We still have the original artwork for that stamp.

• Red trim on this bicycle: Whoever did it made the red tank spears wayyy too fat and completely forgot to do the little bulge outline pinstripes. They're not there!

There are other points that could be made and more unknown facts about the Bluebirds revealed. But we'll save those for another time.

Meanwhile, you're welcome.

Leon Dixon
National Bicycle History Archive of America
(NBHAA.com)

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Thanks @Archie Sturmer for the heads up.

Hi @Nashman

This Bluebird has three numbers on it, not easy to make out, mainly due to the thick paint.

A144622/B97611/C8

The C8 is the date of the frame manufacture, and is August 1936.

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The C8 is very faint, but is the reason for the gap between the 9 and 7 in the other serial number, as the person tried to avoid stamping over it.

A144622 is also a 1936 serial number. From details of survivors of Westfield bikes I've collected, this number fits into a block of other C8 dated frames, so was likely built up in August 1936.

B97611 is a July/August 1937 serial number. I have over 800 Westfield survivors details from 1910 to 1945, and the only times so far I have seen double serial numbers is on the Blubird bikes, and a single Westfield Monarch from this prewar period. They are not common, but there are several examples, the first serial number corresponds closely with the frame build date, the second serial number can be weeks to years later:

Elgin Bluebirds
N94231/A106716/??
N131994/A191718/B10
N162009/B22978/B11
A144622/B97611/C8

Westfield Monarch
B185996/B193005/D11

I don't know the reason for the two numbers, but I think it could be that the bicycle has been returned to the factory and refinished in some way.

Best Regards,

Adrian
 
Hello...

Thanks for the kind words.

Your Bluebird is a 1936– no matter what numbers may be stamped on the frame.

Of course I like cars as much as I love old bicycles. Still have a few cars, some quite rare.

Regarding Corvettes and Corvette folks... Yessssss... I have owned many, many Corvettes going back to the 1950s. And I have been a member of different Corvette clubs. Started collecting stuff on Corvettes when they first appeared in 1953 and had friends who actually worked on the original prototypes, etc. I cover some of this in my book, "Creative Industries of Detroit– The Untold Story of Detroit's Secret Concept Car Builder."

Regarding guitars... I began performing on stage and in recording studios professionally at age 9 (I was in the music biz originally). My family owned a music shop and store. We were official Gibson, Fender and Danelectro dealers in the 1950s-60s. The Gibson factory rep used to bring weird guitars by for me to play and evaluate (including a very rare one that people still argue about today: the Moderne). I still have most of my guitars, including my original 1958 Danelectro U2 (bought new) and my 1963 Gibson Firebird with reverse body. I also have an original Gibson Thunderbird bass early prototype. My early Fenders were stolen years ago, including a Stratocaster. I managed to hold onto several acoustics as well, including European Framus 12-string and a special hand-made Glen Campbell Ovation in full gold trim. Numerous amps as well.

Regarding jukeboxes... Once had a substantial jukebox collection (my dad used to rent them to businesses back in the 1950s-60s). But gone now.

Regarding model boats... Had quite a collection of model boats and motors over the years but most are gone. Think I still have a NOS "Harbour Launch" by Ideal, still in the box. Also had a real mahogany hull hydroplane that my family had built in 1952. It still exists but in a museum.

Thanks again,

LD

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Thanks @Archie Sturmer for the heads up.

Hi @Nashman

This Bluebird has three numbers on it, not easy to make out, mainly due to the thick paint.

A144622/B97611/C8

The C8 is the date of the frame manufacture, and is August 1936.

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The C8 is very faint, but is the reason for the gap between the 9 and 7 in the other serial number, as the person tried to avoid stamping over it.

A144622 is also a 1936 serial number. From details of survivors of Westfield bikes I've collected, this number fits into a block of other C8 dated frames, so was likely built up in August 1936.

B97611 is a July/August 1937 serial number. I have over 800 Westfield survivors details from 1910 to 1945, and the only times so far I have seen double serial numbers is on the Blubird bikes, and a single Westfield Monarch from this prewar period. They are not common, but there are several examples, the first serial number corresponds closely with the frame build date, the second serial number can be weeks to years later:

Elgin Bluebirds
N94231/A106716/??
N131994/A191718/B10
N162009/B22978/B11
A144622/B97611/C8

Westfield Monarch
B185996/B193005/D11

I don't know the reason for the two numbers, but I think it could be that the bicycle has been returned to the factory and refinished in some way.

Best Regards,

Adrian
Thanks Adrian! I really appreciate it. Bob
 
Hello...

Thanks for the kind words.

Your Bluebird is a 1936– no matter what numbers may be stamped on the frame.

Of course I like cars as much as I love old bicycles. Still have a few cars, some quite rare.

Regarding Corvettes and Corvette folks... Yessssss... I have owned many, many Corvettes going back to the 1950s. And I have been a member of different Corvette clubs. Started collecting stuff on Corvettes when they first appeared in 1953 and had friends who actually worked on the original prototypes, etc. I cover some of this in my book, "Creative Industries of Detroit– The Untold Story of Detroit's Secret Concept Car Builder."

Regarding guitars... I began performing on stage and in recording studios professionally at age 9 (I was in the music biz originally). My family owned a music shop and store. We were official Gibson, Fender and Danelectro dealers in the 1950s-60s. The Gibson factory rep used to bring weird guitars by for me to play and evaluate (including a very rare one that people still argue about today: the Moderne). I still have most of my guitars, including my original 1958 Danelectro U2 (bought new) and my 1963 Gibson Firebird with reverse body. I also have an original Gibson Thunderbird bass early prototype. My early Fenders were stolen years ago, including a Stratocaster. I managed to hold onto several acoustics as well, including European Framus 12-string and a special hand-made Glen Campbell Ovation in full gold trim. Numerous amps as well.

Regarding jukeboxes... Once had a substantial jukebox collection (my dad used to rent them to businesses back in the 1950s-60s). But gone now.

Regarding model boats... Had quite a collection of model boats and motors over the years but most are gone. Think I still have a NOS "Harbour Launch" by Ideal, still in the box. Also had a real mahogany hull hydroplane that my family had built in 1952. It still exists but in a museum.

Thanks again,

LD

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Thanks Leon, Of course I have your book, bought it a few years back when we caught up on email. I was also told the above stories that I'll never tire of. Thanks for your and others confirmation that my Bluemutt is a 1936. I have a new appreciation for it just to be reported on by you and so many people and I've learned lots, not an easy feat for me! Ha!

Beautiful guitars. I had a Firebird style 6 string Kauer Banshee a few years back/sold. I just had/have too many and lack of musical skill, need to practice more, been at it too long for excuses.

That Eko ( made it Italy) I'm playing at primary school for a bored audience ( probably "she'll be coming round the mountain or Reuben/Reuben") was my late Dad's, I gifted it to my Son about 5 years ago. Not many gigs on that or my then Pawn shop no name electric but for a few teen drop in center shows (called the Purple Chunk) in the early 70's in our local church. Sounds like something one would vomit? Music was not much better, but we were a 4 piece with rented a local Garnet Pro amp (brand used by Winnipeg's The Guess Who). My GF and I are seeing Burton Cummings in concert here NYE.

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Take care Leon.

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Thanks Leon, Of course I have your book, bought it a few years back when we caught up on email. I was also told the above stories that I'll never tire of. Thanks for your and others confirmation that my Bluemutt is a 1936. I have a new appreciation for it just to be reported on by you and so many people and I've learned lots, not an easy feat for me! Ha!

Beautiful guitars. I had a Firebird style 6 string Kauer Banshee a few years back/sold. I just had/have too many and lack of musical skill, need to practice more, been at it too long for excuses.

That Eko ( made it Italy) I'm playing at primary school for a bored audience ( probably "she'll be coming round the mountain or Reuben/Reuben") was my late Dad's, I gifted it to my Son about 5 years ago. Not many gigs on that or my then Pawn shop no name electric but for a few teen drop in center shows (called the Purple Chunk) in the early 70's in our local church. Sounds like something one would vomit? Music was not much better, but we were a 4 piece with rented a local Garnet Pro amp (brand used by Winnipeg's The Guess Who). My GF and I are seeing Burton Cummings in concert here NYE.

Here's a few more shots of my crap.

Take care Leon.

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Very nice indeed.

Okay... last pics.

BTW... sold or gave away ALL of my Coca-Cola collection years ago, including signs, machines, coolers, and bicycles.

First is me receiving Serial #2 of the Columbia RX-5 reproductions years ago.

Next is my Glen Campbell Special Ovation with gold fittings and early special pick-up.

Next is me performing at Detroit's famous Latin Quarter Theater (now long gone) about 1961. Girl group was known as "The Continentals"... and yes, they were very good. I also performed that night with singer, Brenda Holloway (her hit was "Every Little Bit Hurts,") The Contours (their hit was "Do You Love Me?"... which non-Detroiters never knew until they heard it YEARS later in the movie, "Dirty Dancing")... and others. Guitar I'm holding is a 1958 Danelectro U2 which I got NEW. Still have it. Used it on numerous recording sessions (like Clara Hardy's "The Touch of Love" and more). And for those unfamiliar with "Danos" the Rolling Stones played them in their early days. Fact.

Next is a sample peek at the NBHAA warehouse. You can see my blue Radiobike owned since the 1970s. It was factory-equipped with Bendix 2-speed rear hub. I once had more Radiobikes than anyone, including two NOS ones. I sold one of these back to to Huffy since at that point they realized they never kept one. Yes, I still have the correspondence with their letterhead.

That's all for now...

LD

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