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It's already happening. Some reproductions have been around so long that they have just become part of the used parts scene, being bought and sold as original. Few know enough to spot the repros from original and they're damn happy to have it, ignorance is bliss with excellent reproductions.

Yep,I looked to an "all original" bike a couple of summers ago. One look showed the 90's repop parts.The seller didnt know what he had,a local schmuck lied and took him to the cleaners when he bought it,back in the 90's.Well,I didnt want to ad insult to injury,I just passed on the deal. I dont think those parts in particular are terrible,they're ok.I just prefer the originals in decent used condition or the better grade of repops made not so long ago.
 
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I think it breaks down to being educated on what is what and "caveat emptor" ( buyer beware), but things have been "faked" or re-popped for years, and it's never going to stop. To mislead a person is a lie, and I have never had any patience with deceit. To re-craft by hand is a whole different can of worms than mass produced. I've been doing the antique hobby for 35+ years and have seen some nasty stuff ( repro) and some dang good repro's, but it's how they are represented is what counts. I prefer to stay purist, but will buy repops as a choice on occasion. I will KNOW they are, and if re-sold will divulge as "repro" but after that, it's all about integrity.

Another factor is the almighty "buck$$". For many people the hobby is only affordable as a reproduction item or part to enjoy the experience. Should they be shut out? I don't think so...

I couldn't get my '54 Nash Met a space in a car show this Fall because of all the PT Cruisers? Another topic on it's own....

I think the original tire market has dried up ( pun intended) and getting good original rubber is no longer affordable. I think the rule is to match them up accordingly to your taste. It may look like crap to others, but so may that polka dot green shirt. We all can close our eyes.....

Well, I'm off to Walmart to buy a set of bed sheets with vintage motor scooters on it.."made in China" no doubt, but whatever.... no originals out there last time I checked.
 
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I agree with you Scott, in a sense. The repop tires I use are John's tires only! Would never put Kenda's on a classic! John makes incredible stuff! I have rode vintage tires since the 70's also, Bob. But after riding on new rubber, it's like nite and day! I classify tires, pedals, seat covering and bearings as things that will wear out. Therefore, swapping these things out is OK in my book. Oh ya, that repop badge looks real bad!
 
Like so many on the Cabe, I'm a Hot rod and Vintage Motorcycle guy and there are plenty of people who just don't care......I have a 1958 FLH and have been going to swaps for years looking for parts. You really have to be careful as many vendors will be all too happy sell you an old repop part and tell you it's OG. I learned my lesson and brought a restoration guide with me to get the straight scoop
 
I agree with you Scott, in a sense. The repop tires I use are John's tires only! Would never put Kenda's on a classic! John makes incredible stuff! I have rode vintage tires since the 70's also, Bob. But after riding on new rubber, it's like nite and day! I classify tires, pedals, seat covering and bearings as things that will wear out. Therefore, swapping these things out is OK in my book. Oh ya, that repop badge looks real bad!
I'm new on the Cabe. What are John's tires?
 
John is a member here and does some very good repop stuff! He had Chain tread repop tires made and they are perfect! Check the for sale section, he has WW and BW available.
 
I agree with you Scott, in a sense. The repop tires I use are John's tires only! Would never put Kenda's on a classic! John makes incredible stuff! I have rode vintage tires since the 70's also, Bob. But after riding on new rubber, it's like nite and day! I classify tires, pedals, seat covering and bearings as things that will wear out. Therefore, swapping these things out is OK in my book. Oh ya, that repop badge looks real bad!


-----------------John is an anomaly in the reproduction field. He actually 'cares' about quality and making things 'right' and to
very exacting levels. My comment was not to bash the quality of Johns work but the inherent effect certain reproduction
items have on the market for and value of 'investment' quality antique/vintage parts, and that can also be said for tires.
Tires were always regarded as a 'grail' ingedient in the bike hobby and to a degree, but lesser now, still are. From what I've heard Johns tires are incredible riding tires. I get that. I ride on original tires from a purist standpoint, and don't do 'performance' riding or even serious commuting on vintage ballooners to justify needing that 'extra' performance edge, so I'm cool with rolling on original rubber for my
leisure 'cruising' which amounts to local beach strand cruises and local about town. I do have to admit the repro tire 'generic-izes' (is that a word?)
the look of these old bikes (communism? socialism? LOL) when so much of what you see now is a bright and shiny WW chain tire or typhoon, or those terrible Coker BFG's that used to be everywhere and still "sting" unsuspecting buyers today.

-----Reproduced parts will always be with us, I try to avoid using as much of what's available as I can on my projects. Ocassionally I'll do a 'buy-out' of a load of antique bike stuff and there will be repro stuff in the lot. Do I throw it out? I can't.....it serves a purpose and has value and was part of a bulk buy that I paid for, good, bad and ugly. A couple of years ago I ended up with a qty of 'rough cast" Schwinn cross bar speedo housings... I so wanted to just pitch these things but the market was revealing a 2-300 value a piece! If was independently wealthy? I would have scrapped them. But I'm not quite "Trump" yet.

----There are degrees of 'lameness' for this repop stuff.... And top of my list for just bad BAD idea repop are badges. I will always simply
reard these piles of sheet as Forgeries. Badges and Schwinn Fender bombs have screwed more unsuspecting people than
anything re-made in the bike hobby thus far.
 
Ranting is not the answer. Reproduction, by itself, means only that the part is not from old stock and was more recently produced as a copy of a now out-of-production original. I think people see 'reproduction' and expect very cheaply made, inferior quality parts. Sometimes this is true and sometimes not. When you re-build a bicycle, take each part in the project as an individual and see if the quality is up to your standards. I have no difficulty using high-quality, reproduction parts where they meet my standards for a particular project.

With the rise of computer-aided manufacturing, easier access to home machine shop manufacturing, and even 3-D printing, it is possible to produce quality reproduction parts in a small shop or even at home. Bikesmith Design and Gentleman Cyclist are examples of high-quality, new-production parts. I have also noticed an increasing number of home builders making their own parts of a high quality in their own homes and garages.
 
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