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Seiberling Road King Help
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Phil and those with an opinion,
Wanted to get your opion on this statement and what i gather it states it wasnt made by CWC?? Or maybe there is another Road King? i dont have the pic he is refering to so that may clear the matter but anyones thoughts?
http://nbhaa.com/gtcc4.html
• Page 97... "1941 Western Flyers..." Almost all of the bicycles shown here were made by Cleveland Welding Company (NOT Murray) except for the "Road King" and "Road Queen" which were made by Huffman. It is a serious oversight that the book does not even mention these prominent bicycle makers. In fact, of the 19 different Western Flyer bicycle models listed in the official 1940-41 Western Auto Bicycle Manual used by dealers which NBHAA has, only one was made by Murray. There is an interesting tandem made by Colson. And a cycle-truck made by CWC.
Wanted to get your opion on this statement and what i gather it states it wasnt made by CWC?? Or maybe there is another Road King? i dont have the pic he is refering to so that may clear the matter but anyones thoughts?
http://nbhaa.com/gtcc4.html
• Page 97... "1941 Western Flyers..." Almost all of the bicycles shown here were made by Cleveland Welding Company (NOT Murray) except for the "Road King" and "Road Queen" which were made by Huffman. It is a serious oversight that the book does not even mention these prominent bicycle makers. In fact, of the 19 different Western Flyer bicycle models listed in the official 1940-41 Western Auto Bicycle Manual used by dealers which NBHAA has, only one was made by Murray. There is an interesting tandem made by Colson. And a cycle-truck made by CWC.
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Hello ! While I'm not an expert on these Post war CWC Bikes...I can Tell you a Friend of Mine has 3 of them from this later 40's period...1st one is Badged as a Hawthorne...It was Picked up with Parts on it for a Whizzer Motor still attached...No Cw stamp...1946-47 is My best guess...2nd is a Hiawatha Badged frame with the Cw in the serial#...3rd is another Hawthorne Badged with a Comet style Tank...Later 40's also...If your Looking for Parts any of these Brands should be very Similar...Besides the Chainrings...Yours has a Roadmaster style...Made by CWC also...
Western Autos and Seiberling were both companies competing in the same commercial arena and both offered lines of bicycles supplied to them by a range of individual bicycle manufacturing firms. The use of the name Roadking on your bicycle’s badge and the use of the same name in the Western Autos literature is really just a naming coincidence occurring between two separate companies. The monikers “Road King” and “Road Queen” have probably been used as names for bicycles many times since the 1890’s in catalogs and/or on badges and do not alone carry any real or implied lineage between those so named units.
The excerpt you posted from the NBHAA is referring to the cataloged model lineup sold by Western Autos in 1940 and 1941. Those bikes would have been branded with Western Flyer branding or badges while, in the catalog, they would have been given additional names and/or model numbers to distinguish them from each other.
In the case of your bicycle, the actual manufacturer was clearly Cleveland Welding and the final retailer was clearly the Seiberling auto and tire supply chain. Your bicycle is also separated in time from the NBHAA description which refers to 1940/41 while your bicycle is from 1947.
Seiberling was a smaller chain than Western Autos but I have seen some of their catalogs. If you are looking for more information pertinent to your bicycle you could keep an active search on eBay to try to locate a catalog that might help or you could contact the NBHAA to see what they may have on the early postwar Seiberling lineup.
The excerpt you posted from the NBHAA is referring to the cataloged model lineup sold by Western Autos in 1940 and 1941. Those bikes would have been branded with Western Flyer branding or badges while, in the catalog, they would have been given additional names and/or model numbers to distinguish them from each other.
In the case of your bicycle, the actual manufacturer was clearly Cleveland Welding and the final retailer was clearly the Seiberling auto and tire supply chain. Your bicycle is also separated in time from the NBHAA description which refers to 1940/41 while your bicycle is from 1947.
Seiberling was a smaller chain than Western Autos but I have seen some of their catalogs. If you are looking for more information pertinent to your bicycle you could keep an active search on eBay to try to locate a catalog that might help or you could contact the NBHAA to see what they may have on the early postwar Seiberling lineup.
Phil, as usual you cleared it up! Not really sure what this forum would do without you. I am currently waiting on info regarding my bike and need to submit another Western Flyer i have purchased that as usual, i do not know the year and history. The history on these bikes is whats attracts me to this. Not really sure what this group would do without you. Phil, is there a public resource i could access to find out the year of my Western Flyer? i know i could send it out but im still waiting for the first bikes info and understand this research takes a while. Thanks again guys.
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