Wartime Schwinn New World Bikes - We Know You Have Them - Tell Us About Them!!

[Miq]

Hi @onecatahula Thanks for getting the serial for us. I’m guessing it will be I J or K. It’s definitely a wartime bike and it’s really well preserved. Hard to believe the paint and wood blocks could be in such great shape. i knew it wouldn’t take long before someone bought it. Thanks again for taking the time to grab the serial and hub numbers for our list. I really appreciate it. The hub may not have a date code at all, or it may be something like 41. Looking forward to seeing what you find

 

[SirMike1983]

I spelled Morrow wrong in the Black Cherry sirMike/renfarron entry above. I corrected it in the spreadsheet already. It will show up corrected next time...

I am constantly finding little errors like that and fine tuning the list every time I look at it. No one noticed, but back in the really old charts, I used to use the terms "wire" and "bar" for the two different mudguard brace types. I think Gary pointed out that "bar" is not really a good descriptor for a flat stay since a "bar" sounds like it has a round cross section. I changed all the "bar" entries to "slat" after that.

Thank you for keeping up this list. It has become a go-to reference for New World bikes in terms of a timeline and equipment source.

 

[onecatahula]

@Miq, you were correct, serial K !
Also, a few bonus photos, blackout: seatpost, reflector bezel, rear single brace, and headset race . . a right proper example.

 

[Miq]

Thanks @onecatahula ! The new pics are great too. Love seeing all those beautiful blackout parts up close!

 

[SirMike1983]

H44907 was a standard frame, single speed New World that sold at Copake in 2019 for $70.80. I do not own this bike and I did not bid on it. I had pictures of it in a folder on my desktop and it dawned on me to check to see if this was ever added to the list. Someone got a decent deal on the bike. The rear fender braces look like Wald type replacements. The front is a flat bar of some sort, which given the way it is bent into place, is probably too long and a replacement as well. But if you can locate a rider saddle and some braces for the bike, a good deal.

Hibid

copakeauction.hibid.com

 

[onecatahula]

@Miq Forgot to include blackout Morrow arm, and even the strap !

 

[Miq]

Some more pics from the 2019 Copake Auction H44907 bike @SirMike1983 mentioned.

I added it to the list along with the K serial green step thru from @onecatahula . Thanks again Pete for all the wonderful pics you added. Some of the best pics we have of blackout parts on a Victory bike. This thread was started to document exactly this kind of wartime bike!

 

[Spacecowboy]

Took a slow roll group spin on my new world w1m. Swapped in some torrington swept back bars, a long spring seat and hub shiners.

I noticed the catalogs show a different stem for the one speed than the flip over/flip back one I have. They call it a wald number 3. Looking around for a pic on that or information. It looks like a long varsity stem in the drawing but I keep finding a "prewar motorbike" with no drop.

The bike rolled great and I actually pedaled about a third less than than the wallyworld bikes and coasted alot more.

 

[WillWork4Parts]

Took a slow roll group spin on my new world w1m. Swapped in some torrington swept back bars, a long spring seat and hub shiners.

I noticed the catalogs show a different stem for the one speed than the flip over/flip back one I have. They call it a wald number 3. Looking around for a pic on that or information. It looks like a long varsity stem in the drawing but I keep finding a "prewar motorbike" with no drop.

The bike rolled great and I actually pedaled about a third less than than the wallyworld bikes and coasted alot more.

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Your description makes me want to call these the "Linda Blair" stem now...or maybe "the Exorcist." Lol

Which other stem are you talking about? I think I've only seen the "Linda Blair" in blackout.

These 2 pics are early post war stems.

Not sure about the double adjustable stem being on a New World. This one is on a 49 Continental. It's simply the Motorbike stem top flipped over on the post.

 

[Spacecowboy]

Sorry bout that, the flip back term was something I might have made up or heard, in reference to the the "Linda blair" one. Think I saw the black out version in this thread a couple of posts ago on a green new world. The "Linda blair" one is stock on the ladies model and the three speed. The adjustable is as always avaliable at additional cost.

The "motorbike" one is the 20-30s stem with a flat angle, no 20 degree drop, bolt in front. The adjustable one appears on model 707-1 in the prewar Era then also gets used on the continental in postwar Era. The adjustable one seems to be the only one that has the angle, and it's not stock on the w1m. I simply don't see anything like the varsity drop stem in steel before 1970ish. They figured it out somewhere between high end racing bikes and mass consumer 10 speeds.

Contrasting the prewar illustrations with the later one speed new world in 41-42 my logical guess is that they used that earlier one on the w1m. it just makes financial and supply-wise sense, its what they had on hand. The early illustrations for the racer also shows a similar one piece stem where the paramount has the slider one.

Attaching a pic of a one that is similar to what i thought was the older 30s style. I'm sure this one is postwar tho. Have seen tge prewar ones have the binder bolt directly in front and not under.