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Hi Juvela
being member of Veloretrocourse, we would appreciate if you credit the images you include in your posts so they bear their provenance ;)

and to be precise , its not Charles Albert Ripet but Celestin Albert Ripet who died beginning of 1938 !
and I am pretty sure that Maxi bought CAR or the license end of 1938 and started manufacturing CAR Maxi hubs - I own one - then Maxi CAR already prewar.
RFG is undoubtfully a "later story".
 
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Thank you! ;)

since you read me post you saw that I included a link to the forum thread whence the images issue

no wish to take credit for the work of others

and o'course "all errors mine own"

I certainly make plenty :anguished:

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I have seen that but what I meant is that the pictures should be credited to veloretrocourse with a caption below them -
we insist on that as too many pictures from our own research efforts are now seen all over the world without any mention. This is not clear from your post which is lets say "halfway" to the optimal mark ;)
 
Here's an odd "Gallic" bike from yesteryear: BAGGI type "Champion Olympique et du Monde". Although I don't know if this particular model was raced to any prestigious titles; this marque certainly gained some reputation when raced by Ottavio Pratesi, a rather underrated cyclist during the pre and post WW1 eras (his 1912 Tour de France exploits are incredible!). Always raced as an "isolati" in 5 TDF's winning that category in '23 & '24; I believe riding a BAGGI-SAMYN both years; definitely did in '23. An old French bike with old French parts. Amazingly, all components are in very good working order; bearings spin cleanly with very little play, and I have yet to overhaul anything. I am not going to alter anything on this bike; just clean up the frame and possibly touch-up the paint and the hand painted "BAGGI" down tube logo. The frame is fairly lighweight for its time; I will get a weight on it after stripping the last parts off, curious as to what it will come in at. It utilizes a Simplex 3 speed rear derailleur system ("Selection Standard/Professional" type) with idler pulley/tension arm. Speciale freewheel (15,17,19T), unknown (but very cool!) crankset (46T), Gloria brakes, Lyotard 36 pedals, Maxi (Maxi-Car?) hubs, Rigida "Deco" "C" rims, Campione alloy stem, and a nice unbranded alloy bar. Brooks Professional saddle and steel post (27.0mm) are not original, though the Ideale saddle clamp may be. Unbranded headset and bottom bracket assy's. Paint is actually of high quality aside from its near century of wear and tear; the lug work is very clean and of very good workmanship. Headbadge decal held up quite nicely, especially having it partially overlap the lugs due to a smaller size frame (my size!). I only see myself installing an alloy seat post of French/European manufacture with an Ideale saddle (I have one already for it) on top; other than that it's staying as it was ridden back in the day. I do have the original fenders, though not in photos. If anyone can provide more insight regarding this marque and/or its components l would be very thankful (and buy you a pizza!).

Take care,
Jesper
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Here's an odd "Gallic" bike from yesteryear: BAGGI type "Champion Olympique et du Monde". Although I don't know if this particular model was raced to any prestigious titles; this marque certainly gained some reputation when raced by Ottavio Pratesi, a rather underrated cyclist during the pre and post WW1 eras (his 1912 Tour de France exploits are incredible!). Always raced as an "isolati" in 5 TDF's winning that category in '23 & '24; I believe riding a BAGGI-SAMYN both years; definitely did in '23. An old French bike with old French parts. Amazingly, all components are in very good working order; bearings spin cleanly with very little play, and I have yet to overhaul anything. I am not going to alter anything on this bike; just clean up the frame and possibly touch-up the paint and the hand painted "BAGGI" down tube logo. The frame is fairly lighweight for its time; I will get a weight on it after stripping the last parts off, curious as to what it will come in at. It utilizes a Simplex 3 speed rear derailleur system ("Selection Standard/Professional" type) with idler pulley/tension arm. Speciale freewheel (15,17,19T), unknown (but very cool!) crankset (46T), Gloria brakes, Lyotard 36 pedals, Maxi (Maxi-Car?) hubs, Rigida "Deco" "C" rims, Campione alloy stem, and a nice unbranded alloy bar. Brooks Professional saddle and steel post (27.0mm) are not original, though the Ideale saddle clamp may be. Unbranded headset and bottom bracket assy's. Paint is actually of high quality aside from its near century of wear and tear; the lug work is very clean and of very good workmanship. Headbadge decal held up quite nicely, especially having it partially overlap the lugs due to a smaller size frame (my size!). I only see myself installing an alloy seat post of French/European manufacture with an Ideale saddle (I have one already for it) on top; other than that it's staying as it was ridden back in the day. I do have the original fenders, though not in photos. If anyone can provide more insight regarding this marque and/or its components l would be very thankful (and buy you a pizza!).

Take care,
Jesper
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Very cool, I love the chainring, I think it is an Solida one; there was a cat version as well. I would love to have your bike!
 
I am still researching the history regarding the marque, and components. Perchance, Baggi-Samyn was dissolved circa 1932 My best guess is still in the 1936-1938 range based primarily on the derailleur system if it is original to the bike. The crankset is odd in that I cannot put a set of French thread pedals on it. I have tried two sets excepting the pedals that were on it as received (Lyotard model 36?); they turn in without using any tool. The French threaded ones start about one turn and then bind up. They do not accept 9/16" at all. I am going to try the Lyotards on another French threaded crankset I have on a Crescent Pepita I just finished and see how they act when trying to install them on the OE Stronglight crank. There is nothing wrong with the pedals; I was just curious as to what their threading is. I am not familiar with Solida cranks of this era, only their '70s products.
 
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pedal thread note -

others have encountered this also

it has been discussed on forums

those with a knowledge of metal working technology state that it has to do with how the threads are formed

some pedal threads are cut while others are rolled

experts state that the rolled ones give less trouble in this regard

one simple procedure you could do which could harm nothing would be to run some 14mm taps through the cranks and then try once again

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What a magnificent bicycle!
Thank you, for bringing it to our attention, and for the research provided by others.
Please keep us up to date as you progress further with the clean up and assembly.
 
Great bike, perhaps worth looking on 'tontonvelo' if you haven't done so already.
Love to see it when it's all back together.
 
So I have been able to glean some more information about this marque and particular model with the help of others.
One possibility is that the BAGGI-SAMYN (a different "Samyn" entity from the Samyn bikes in following years) partnership was probably dissolved on or about 1932, although BAGGI marqued bikes were observed prior to this time. Olympic and World Champion palmarès were achieved in 1924. So it could not be prior to '24 having the specific type/model displaying those achievements.
The if the "Le Simplex" chain tension arm is contemporary to the time of frame build, it would be from 1936 or later unless frame was used or "NOS". The arm is down tube mounted which was not an available design until 1936 and the Simplex edition version if this shifting system was not produced post WW2. Earlier versions had chainstay and BB mounted arms. It is doubtful that the frame is a later vintage (40s and later) and mounted with an earlier style "Osgear" style derailleur system which were essentially obsolete for racing purposes in the '40s.
The chain is a "VITA" brand make with bevelled outer plates.
I have located "890" stamped into the rear left side dropout and on the rear of the fork crown. Also, "L L" stamped into the rear left dropout and the right front dropout. No other markings found on the frame or components. I hope the "L L" is indicative of a frame builder during the 20s-30s; it may help with year identication.
 
Jesper,

As written on my forum yesterday, serendipitously, I had to find that Juvela was posting some of my pictures on the bikeforum outside of my knowledge
@juvela : this cannot be. Can you acknowledge that you understand that we require asking and inclusion of the source and author of a document and that you agree to act accordingly ? I have not read this...

My main objective here is to help you, Jesper.
The VITA chain was produced by a belgian brand called CPM, from the initial of their owners, Mr P&M Charbonnier.
It is not well known but in Belgium, we have had a very large cycling industry, mainly derived from the guns manufacturers and the related companies.
CPM commercialized (I cannot testify that they produced some or all of the followings) the VITA products, including chains, derailleurs, lamps and dynamos; they also sold the Hermesse cranks & chainring (for these I can testify that they were made in Liege by the Hermesse brothers); Duraleau rims and Selecta saddles and brakes.
They also sold brakes called Ebonite Supra and I cannot imagine them made out of ebonite.
I've find evidences of this dating of end of 30ties to the early fifties.
However, the date of a chain is irrelevent since this is likely one of the first items to be replaced.

Concerning the "speciale" gears, until checking the back side, I would not conclude on a too well known name.
It could be many other things and the mentionned removal patern was actualy standard at that time and I've many blocks like these, even some very late ones from asian origin

Concerning the "solida" chainring, again, worned out parts are being replaced with what was localy available.
Here a link https://forum.tontonvelo.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9644 to read.
You will read that although the first poster identifies the crank as Solida (to me poopty products but maybe not at the time), he doesn't state the chainring. A later poster (Mr Dejoulardi, who usualy knows what he is talking about) list it as a Mercier chainring. Later again, Gibeu, also used to know what he says, speaks of his Andrelys bike and a last one, David, of a Nervar crank ...
Out of this I would not drive any conclusion but my personnal feeling is that this is too ornated to be have been targeted for a racing bike.

Sorry to have disturbed the Cabe ...

A last thing.
The pedals treads.
These pedals came either with french threads or BSA ones. And many cranks accordingly
Usualy pedals manufactured with different threads can be identified with the marking
G & D - French threads (gauche et droite)
R & L - BSA
As for the Italian brands with D and S inistra ...
 
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