Harley Davidson Head Badge Controversy


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Balloontyre

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Oct 2, 2011
4,370
2,403
Bismarck, United States
#21
It's a Fake, no other way about it.

All fonts are diff from real to the repop, I see it clearly. If you have a real one on hand you will notice another difference that images dont show.
-The weight- real are super light, I'm sure yours is heavy



I , as much as the next guy am always looking and hoping for a new discovery, in this case it's just not so.

As an aside...your letter from H-D is Not an authentication of your badge as a real authentic, its your interpretation of the letter.


Read post by Bike again, exactly spot on.
 

47jchiggins

I live for the CABE
Sep 15, 2013
1,211
1,535
Virginia Beach, 23451
#22
Last pic was mine and ended up being a fake. The letters from the og looks different. The fake ones are a bit more squared
This is exactly what I'm talking about. When I was at the Davenport MC swap, I saw an HD badge that looked like the stamped badge, even had an impression on the reverse. When I picked it up, I immediately noticed the weight and thickness, someone made an absolutely beautiful CASTING of the stamped badge, if only it was a bit lighter and thinner, it could have passed.....that's what I'm talking about. Why make a fake that looks like a fake?

The badge below is made to look like the STAMPED badge but it is cast, not stamped.......my badge is STAMPED or pressed from a piece of what was once flat stock, not cast......

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redline1968

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Oct 16, 2008
4,700
2,976
Seattle, United States
#25
Both badges look like they were hand made and not by machine. The edges around the lettering are not smooth more like jagged.. that to me indicates copies. The brass badge holes appear to be slightly wider then the other badge next to it. I feel some one was a engraver and made the brass badge (gave it some patina) for a bike that had slightly wider spaced holes.
 

Andrew Gorman

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jun 15, 2008
2,660
597
Pasadena (Hastings Ranch), United States
#26
I think the suspect badge is photoetched, run through a vibratory tumbler and run over on the garage floor.. What do these things sell for? I could go into production.
 
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bikewhorder

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Nov 9, 2011
6,753
5,565
Midcoast, ME
#28
This is exactly what I'm talking about. When I was at the Davenport MC swap, I saw an HD badge that looked like the stamped badge, even had an impression on the reverse. When I picked it up, I immediately noticed the weight and thickness, someone made an absolutely beautiful CASTING of the stamped badge, if only it was a bit lighter and thinner, it could have passed.....that's what I'm talking about. Why make a fake that looks like a fake?

The badge below is made to look like the STAMPED badge but it is cast, not stamped.......my badge is STAMPED or pressed from a piece of what was once flat stock, not cast......

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Making an exact replica of anything is difficult. 99% of repop parts have glaring differences from the originals. It does seem like if you were going to go through the effort of making reproduction parts you might as well get it right but without the same tooling it can be almost impossible.
 

ejlwheels

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Sep 7, 2006
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150
Minneapolis, United States
#30
Yes, the Pontiac badge is acid etched.
At some point after its removal it was run over in the driveway


47jchiggins,
your badge was acid etched
then hammered repeatedly to make the scuff marks or nicks
and then varnished or baked with grease on
the edges of the letters and outlines (or cliffs) are not worn or burnished at all
which they would be if the badge were old enough to have all those bang marks
The Milwaukee font should have little tiny serifs or spurs
Like Copperplate Gothic created around 1901
Look closely at the bottom of the A
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47jchiggins

I live for the CABE
Sep 15, 2013
1,211
1,535
Virginia Beach, 23451
#31
Both badges look like they were hand made and not by machine. The edges around the lettering are not smooth more like jagged.. that to me indicates copies. The brass badge holes appear to be slightly wider then the other badge next to it. I feel some one was a engraver and made the brass badge (gave it some patina) for a bike that had slightly wider spaced holes.


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Krautwaggen

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
May 24, 2010
3,241
785
Bloomington, United States
#32
The words in the cast badge, "MILWAUKEE, U.S.OF A.", are set in Helvetica, a font that was not published until 1957.

In my opinion.

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You mean not all San Serif fonts are exactly the same? ;) The width of the letters in the repro badge are wider than the Original as well. It's subtle to most, but it's screaming at me in the side by side comparison.
 

bike

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 26, 2007
4,771
1,062
Bicycleland
#34
OK (while we are looking for the truth) here is a little story:
A guy had an early NOS b6 may have been Goodrich (At Doc Gibsons show in Costa mesa- long time ago) it had drop center wheels- the bike was nos- he could not sell it till he put nos s-2s on it.

So lets say that it is REAL- that is good for your own satisfaction but there would be doubt about it in many minds-you would probably have to put the earlier badge on it to realize maximum value (if that is your goal.)
2cents OPINION as always.
PS ditto on the post that it looks like it was aged on purpose.
 

StoneWoods

Finally riding a big boys bike
Jan 7, 2015
452
523
Schofield, United States
#36
Also look at the spacing of the "of" on the brass badge. Looks like this: OG :"U.S.ofA"
The brass "repop" "U.S. of A." If that makes any sense.
 

Saving Tempest

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Feb 6, 2012
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Earth (Middle)
#38
You mean not all San Serif fonts are exactly the same? ;) The width of the letters in the repro badge are wider than the Original as well. It's subtle to most, but it's screaming at me in the side by side comparison.
Helvetica and Arial seem to be in the same font family. They are what you look for when you want a clean looking sans serif logo or letter font. A more exotic version that is thicker is Zurich, which is available with many word processing suites and easy to add to for font cache.
 

fordsnake

I live for the CABE
May 12, 2010
1,796
450
#39
You mean not all San Serif fonts are exactly the same? ;) The width of the letters in the repro badge are wider than the Original as well. It's subtle to most, but it's screaming at me in the side by side comparison.
All Designs, Typography and Orthography of early art, logos, badges and decals was hand lettered (no computers, Letraset, or digital typesets). Often artwork was drawn over-sized on illiustration board, then given to an engraver, who would transfer the design to scale with a pantograph tool, then with the skills of a jeweler cut the intricate design in an "investment casting" or lost-wax casting. It was then turn over to a metal worker or foundry for mass production - a steel die of the design was made pressing it while red hot it into a cavity for embossing.

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