Schwinn Lemon Peeler 1972 Krate Mint Unused On Ebay

[quietwon]

After that bike hit around $2000 on Ebay it was the same 2 bidders on it. Sales on Ebay should not fall apart and Ebay should be tougher on buyers who do not follow through and honor their bid. I hate it the few times I have sold something on Ebay and then after the sale and before they pay the buyers ask all sorts of questions and then say it (what I had for sale) is not what they thought it was or something like that and do not pay. There should be no questions asked after you place a bid on an item. I sometimes get a notification from Ebay that a bid was cancelled and I am now the high bidder. As soon as that happens I call up Ebay and tell them to cancel my bid as I do not want to have anything to do with an auction where they allow bids to be cancelled as it smells kind of fishy to me. Does not seem to be any big consequences for non paying auction winners on Ebay. I like the car site Bring A Trailer. The minute you place a bid on that site they put a hold on your credit card for 5% on cars think it is 10% on bikes of your bid and think it is $250 whichever is greater. Whatever it is there at least are some consequences for not honoring a bid that is placed and winning an auction. Makes a bidder think twice before bidding.

I was watching that auction in disbelief when it hit 9200. At the time, I thought it had to be shill bidding or a few buddies of the seller bidding it up. Seems like that is what happened.

 

[DrRumack80]

After that bike hit around $2000 on Ebay it was the same 2 bidders on it. Sales on Ebay should not fall apart and Ebay should be tougher on buyers who do not follow through and honor their bid. I hate it the few times I have sold something on Ebay and then after the sale and before they pay the buyers ask all sorts of questions and then say it (what I had for sale) is not what they thought it was or something like that and do not pay. There should be no questions asked after you place a bid on an item. I sometimes get a notification from Ebay that a bid was cancelled and I am now the high bidder. As soon as that happens I call up Ebay and tell them to cancel my bid as I do not want to have anything to do with an auction where they allow bids to be cancelled as it smells kind of fishy to me. Does not seem to be any big consequences for non paying auction winners on Ebay. I like the car site Bring A Trailer. The minute you place a bid on that site they put a hold on your credit card for 5% on cars think it is 10% on bikes of your bid and think it is $250 whichever is greater. Whatever it is there at least are some consequences for not honoring a bid that is placed and winning an auction. Makes a bidder think twice before bidding.

Agreed. Ebay protects/coddles buyers to a fault, and is seemingly hostile to sellers. Sellers cannot even leave negative feedback for buyers, AFAIK. I signed up in 1998 and Ebay was much better/fairer then. Even the search function worked better.

Whatever issues there are with this Lemon, it's a great looking bike in any case.

 

[vincev]

i quit E Bay years ago. Now its FB Marketplace and pickup/cash. I dont rely on making money in this hobby, I sell things to make more room for other items. Sometimes I rather lose money just to get rid of some things.

 

[acg_schwinn]

Agreed. Ebay protects/coddles buyers to a fault, and is seemingly hostile to sellers. Sellers cannot even leave negative feedback for buyers, AFAIK. I signed up in 1998 and Ebay was much better/fairer then. Even the search function worked better.

A few random points regarding eBay... (This ended up being a lot more writing than I thought, so pull up a chair and make yourself comfortable. )

It has not been possible to leave Negative (or even Neutral) feedback for buyers since May of 2008. Prior to that there were endless fights between sellers and buyers, such as sellers threatening buyers with Negs unless they agreed to drop their feedback first, or not demand a refund or whatever. Feedback has been lopsided to the buyers' advantage for the past 17 years now, though the Feedback percentage rating itself does not have a bearing on a seller's account standing.

eBay will remove feedback that violates a narrow set of circumstances, although it might take a bit of work to achieve that. A seller can also send a feedback revision request to the buyer, if they have resolved their difference and the buyer agrees to revise their rating and/or comments.

As for auctions (which I understand are now only about 20% of listings these days; BuyItNow pricing predominates, and a large percentage have Make Offer bargaining available as well), a bidder can retract a bid himself without seeking permission from either eBay or the seller. (Terminology-wise, sellers can cancel; bidders can retract.)

A buyer's bid retractions go on his record, and his count of retractions over the past 12 months can be found in the desktop ("classic") view of his feedback page on the Feedback Left for Others tab, right side, about halfway down. His 30-day retraction count can also be seen on the auction's Bid History page. Click on his disguised bidder ID there, and it will pop up a 30-day history of his bidding activity. (If you are the seller of that auction, you will need to log out first, so that your bidders' IDs are disguised when viewing your Bid History page.)

If a seller cancels a bid, that does not go on the buyer's retraction record. Some buyers will feign ignorance about how to retract a bid for that reason, asking a seller to cancel it for him instead. I generally just ask a bidder with cold feet to leave his bid where it is, because it will probably get sniped at the end anyway, and cancelling it for him will just surprise the second-place guy (as @mike1117 mentioned). I tell him that if he does end up as the winner and still wants to cancel, I can do that. Sending a Second Chance Offer to the next guy down on the list works for me about half the time, and gets me almost as much money as what the winning bid was, less a maximum of one bid increment. In fact I sell most of my auctions via snipe bids in the final seconds anyway, so I don't get too concerned about bidding activity earlier in the week.

It's true that a bid is considered a commitment to buy if the bidder wins, but the reality is that it's unenforceable if a bidder retracts; you can't force a buyer to pay. Taking the buyer to court would require far more time and effort than it's worth.

As for calling up eBay, that option has been gone for several years now. The way to speak to someone at eBay is now to go through the Chat option and request a callback. Any supposed calling-in numbers for eBay that you might find on the Internet are either old contacts or scammers who will cheerfully take your account info but not do anything to help.

Speaking of "not do anything to help," the eBay callback drones are notoriously bad, and powerless to help. They read scripted response trees based on what they think you need or are asking for, but generally just want to wrap up your call and move on the next. (Demanding to speak to a "supervisor" will more likely just get you handed off to the guy in the next cubicle.) You're better off seeking advice from the eBay Community groups, which are populated by other experienced users who can probably give you more accurate answers. (They may not be answers that you want to hear, but if someone posting there offers bad advice, there are plenty of others who will jump in to correct him.)

eBay Selling Community Group: https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/bd-p/selling-db
eBay Buying Community Group: https://community.ebay.com/t5/Buying/bd-p/bidding-buying-db

For all its faults (and boy oh boy do they have faults), eBay is still the biggest market out there. I wish selling would go more smoothly, but I'll take what I can get.

 

[mike1117]

As for calling up eBay, that option has been gone for several years now. The way to speak to someone at eBay is now to go through the Chat option and request a callback. Any supposed calling-in numbers for eBay that you might find on the Internet are either old contacts or scammers who will cheerfully take your account info but not do anything to help.

You can still talk to a live person on Ebay. Ebay does not want or try to make it easy to speak to a live person but it is not that difficult. I call every few months about something or another regarding one of my auctions and just did last week. Ebay directs you to a chat box where they want you to message back and forth to someone there. Just type in that box that you wish to speak with someone on the phone. It may ask you a few times to message them what you want, just say you wish to speak on the phone with an Ebay representative. Finally Ebay will ask you for your phone number to have someone call you back, it is usually within 5 minutes or so that they do. I have never sent a text in my life to anyone/anywhere, I prefer speaking to a real person. I hate most companies now do not even give a number to reach them at, they want everything through messaging. I like speaking with people on the phone, and never give anyone a bad time if it is hard to understand what they are saying as a lot of these reps are in other countries which these companies use to save money. I am always polite, these people are just trying to make a living like you and I. Not long ago I had an issue with an item I purchased on Ebay, I call up Ebay and get get someone with an accent, they tell me no worries Mister Mike (I kind of like how they use your first name after Mister) they say just return the item for a refund but they have it where I am paying return shipping. I say the item was defective and not as described and I should not be out a single cent because the buyer is selling defective items and not even as described. I say to the rep I want to be made whole. And the rep asks me to repeat what I just said which I do. Then they say why do I want a hole, do I want to dig a whole. I thought that was funny, and I say to them nicely what that expression means in this country. Anyway, Yes you can talk to a live person at Ebay, and when you do, please be nice.

 

[1motime]

If you go through the process you have described and want to make a return eBay insists buyer pay for return shipping. In my situation the item came with free shipping. The agent immediately said in that case the seller had to pay for shipping cost. They sent me a label right then and when it was delivered immediately got a full refund. Very easy and seller wasn't involved. He never responded anyway before I started refund process. The only problem is when you are in the seller so you need to be on top of it.

 

[acg_schwinn]

Whether the buyer is required to pay return shipping depends on the reason selected for the return request. If the item is Not As Described due to shipping damage, for example, the seller must send a return label if he wants to have the item back before refunding. Conversely, a return request for Doesn't Fit is considered to be a remorse return, and the buyer must pay for return shipping in that case.

There are a lot of complaints in the Seller forum about buyers forcing a free (to them) return by claiming shipping damage, only for the seller to send a return label, get the item back, and find that there's nothing wrong with it.