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Miq

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@GTs58 I noticed the difference in the decals too. I like the all gold.
 
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Miq

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Thanks @rollfaster ! I love how nice the paint is in the areas that got wiped off. Those are in great shape. Nice pair of 1940 New Worlds.

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Miq

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One thing I had never noticed before is that the back half of the clamps that hold the chain guard on are not painted. I looked at my bike and pics of other New Worlds, and it's the same. The contrast is so obvious in the pics of the great paint on Brent’s bikes, but is less obvious with the missing paint and corrosion on my bike. There's always more to learn and notice. :)
 
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Miq

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@DaveZ is helping a friend get a 1941 New World rolling again. He was nice enough to provide his friend's bike's serial and some info for our chart.

1941, H63906, NOT, Wire Front & Back, NO BO parts, Rear Dropouts

Originally had a SA 3sp, quadrant shifter, Front & Rear calipers. I have the 1941 SA 3sp, the quadrant shifter and front brakes. Blue with gold pinstriping; but the PS is gone. Missing one rear fender brace and rear caliper. They probably took the rear caliper off when they pout the ND hub on it. Rims didn't have tires on them so any writing inside is gone. I do have wartime tires so I can see if they are the same size.
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Looking forward to seeing what this bike looks like. It's the first 3 sp from 1941 we've seen. I wonder if it looks something like @Arfsaidthebee 's Blue 1941 coaster. This is Arf's:
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Miq

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@Jim sciano Holy $h!t that's sweet! :hearteyes: The paint and pins and decals look amazing after all of your work. That's a very well preserved bike. The chrome is even nice.


@GenuineRides It must be 1940 F serial day today! We have a step thru and a men's in one day.

That's a very unique New World. The badging and the features don't look like anything else we've seen. 3 piece crank, AS&Co Chainring, front and rear caliper brakes, a war tire left, and pat pend high flange rear hub. Really interesting and adds to the 1940 New World mix-master, "build them however you want", story.

I'll add them to the chart tonight. Thanks guys!
 
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1motime

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That white 40 woman's New World is a beauty! Fantastic pin stripes and chrome. Even on the Miller stand. Good to see that these bikes are coming out.
I have a question. I am looking for a front fender for a prewar New World. I thought an early Racer fender would work. Same fin. Looking at all these photos it seems that the New World front fender is much longer at the rear end. Am I seeing things? Mine rotted off at the brace. Maybe they held water more by wrapping around the tire so Schwinn shortened them. What do you think?
Anyone with a straight rusty patina front fender?? Help!
 
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rollfaster

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Figured I would post a few pics of my cleaned up 1940 women’s new world. Took a ton of elbow grease but I couldn’t see this bike parted out. This bike is already on the list. F serial number. First three pics are before I cleaned it up
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Incredible transformation!
 
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GTs58

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Is that an E or an F on Genuine's NW? Looks like it could be an E where the bottom was hit a little lighter, but I'm cross eyed. ;)

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Miq

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Good eye @GTs58 . o_O Reminds me of the I / L confusion on this '36 frame :p :
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Added @GenuineRides black E serial bike and updated @Jim sciano 's description. I'm splitting the chart at 1942 USA enters WWII (I serials is our educated guess). It was getting too big for one pic. :D

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Miq

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Digging through some posts today and came across some threads with prewar New World racers to add to the list. @sb1 has a new thread going on his racer that pointed me to these..

@Champy posted a racer back in 2013 here. Serial D2629 3 piece crank, red with white wheels, war time tires, New Departure hub
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@Nigelshaffer posted this racer back in 2013 as well.
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@sb1 's Liberty badged Racer. This bike is very cool with OG rims, racing pedals, rear fork ends, black pin stripes....
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@Big Moe had this one back in 2017. It's a tourist frame and fork dressed up like a racer. There's nothing wrong with that, just pointing it out. :)
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@ccdc.1 Pointed out the way to tell the Racer frames from the Tourist frames. The racer frames' chain stay braces are a lot closer to the bottom bracket. Since there wasn't going to be a mudguard that attached, they could place them closer to the BB. Also the racing fork is steeper with less rake.

Real Racer frames with close brace
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Not real racer frame with far brace
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Miq

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We've been looking at these weird hand stamped 1940 bikes a lot. @GTs58 and I have been talking about why there could be a couple of different serial numbering operations on the same line of bikes. In 1940 we have seen both machine stamped New Worlds like this:
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and hand stamped New Worlds like this (especially weird VERY far right 0 and small D):
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The realization we came to recently is that it looks like all the hand stamped frames we've seen with the letter then 4 digits, have the smaller bottom bracket (BB) that works with the 3 piece crank. The BB on the machine stamped frames is larger and works with the 1 piece dog leg cranks. There had to be two different lines working on these bikes. The hand stamped bikes are always much better equipped bikes with 3 speed hubs etc. or Racers. I can imagine the guys building these bikes were taking more time than the guys on the line building the more mass produced tourist bikes.

This also helps to explain how @vincev 's bike could have gotten such an odd I serial stamp in 1940. What was that hand stamp guy drinking the night before? If you're doing it by hand, a lot more "variation" can creep in. :)
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@s1b 's hand stamped serial is nuts too with the C covered with a sideways 0:
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What do you guys think?
 
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s1b

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We've been looking at these weird hand stamped 1940 bikes a lot. @GTs58 and I have been talking about why there could be a couple of different serial numbering operations on the same line of bikes. In 1940 we have seen both machine stamped New Worlds like this:
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and hand stamped New Worlds like this (especially weird VERY far right 0 and small D):
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The realization we came to recently is that it looks like all the hand stamped frames we've seen with the letter then 4 digits, have the smaller bottom bracket (BB) that works with the 3 piece crank. The BB on the machine stamped frames is larger and works with the 1 piece dog leg cranks. There had to be two different lines working on these bikes. The hand stamped bikes are always much better equipped bikes with 3 speed hubs etc. or Racers. I can imagine the guys building these bikes were taking more time than the guys on the line building the more mass produced tourist bikes.

This also helps to explain how @vincev 's bike could have gotten such an odd I serial stamp in 1940. What was that hand stamp guy drinking the night before? If you're doing it by hand, a lot more "variation" can creep in. :)
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@s1b 's hand stamped serial is nuts too with the C covered with a sideways 0:
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What do you guys think?
That isn’t my white Racer. It was one I was looking at buying. Not sure if it sold.
 
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Miq

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@s1b calling it yours was wishful thinking on my part. :D You are the “contributor” of that bike to this thread even if you don’t own it. it’s a very cool bike.
 
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