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Flat Tire

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Feb 24, 2007
2,054
Blanchester, ohio United States
Serial Number Mystery

ejlwheels posted his frame and fork showing a serial # then 9 and 162 and says it has a Pop Bottle badge....
I also have a Dayton with the same fork, pop bottle badge and the numbers 9 and 162
So I was talking to a fellow Ohio Collector about this and he says WOW...he has a Dayton, with the same fork, and pop bottle badge, and the numbers on his are 9 and 162 !!
The only real difference in these 3 bikes is the frame size (by the neck length)
So here ya go....
Three 1919 Dayton bikes
All 3 are stamped 162
All 3 have the same Dayton Truss Forks
All 3 have the Pop Bottle Badge...which is an extra step when making the frame,,, to make the large hole for that Pop Bottle badge....
Hummmmm???...........162......Pop Bottle Badge? Dayton Truss fork???
Now I'm not gonna assume anything.......yet.......but I am very curious now!
and sure would like to find another Dayton with the # 162 !!!!
 
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chitown

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jun 21, 2010
2,924
Prospect Heights, United States
Hey Dave,

Those should be posted in the Mead thread. Well, I think we need a new thread for Mead/Davis/Harley.

Every one of those HD's is screaming MEAD built... except the sprocket. Give credit where credit is due. Davis Sewing machine stepped up and made a kick ass sprocket, but I'm saying those frames were built in Chicago.

This one looks like the badge screws would line up perfect for a Mead badge. This curved truss bar was a Mead feature... and a Pierce, and Dayton. It's more indicative of age/period than a tell tale sign of manufacturer.
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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
4,331
Fairborn, Ohio
GREAT PICS, DAVE !!! CHRIS (chitown) ... will you please show us some of those Mead frame-
styles that mirror the Davis frames. You may have something here that cries to be revealed.

DAVE ... those pics from the Eady Museum are great !!! ... and you kindly left me one to post ...
another H-D chainring. A note to all of you chainring persuers ... pay careful attention to all the
variations in these original rings that have been laced thru-out this thread. There are reproductions
out there ... the lathe-work may be a bit shallow and the teeth not so stout .. allowing for normal
wear and tear .. of course.

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...... patric
 
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chitown

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jun 21, 2010
2,924
Prospect Heights, United States
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Patric, I don't know how to tell you this other than straight up, no chaser. Your favorite Davis is a Mead.:eek:

Go back to the dropouts and the forks. George Lewis was designing those forks so as to not need heavy forging equipment. These were die-cut, stamped, pressed (pressed using hot/cold joining like he would later use in making silver kings) This style fork and dropout is used in later 20's Elgins (Sears) those were Westfield made. AFTER Mead liquidated and sold manufacturing equipment to Westfield.

The features you point out as Dayton Only are what I think Davis only did. I like Dayton bikes and think those "Dayton Only" forged fork-crowns are works of art. But I don't believe they were making the style fork I refer to as the Lewis fork.

View attachment 67632

Here's an early Mead with some early fork truss plates. (pic and bike by member bikewhorder)
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chitown

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jun 21, 2010
2,924
Prospect Heights, United States
Beautiful + wild + ultra-rare = one fine Dayton

WOW! That is wild. Here's the fork:

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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
4,331
Fairborn, Ohio
CHRIS (chitown) ... Many things are possible .. but not as many things are probable. It is POSSIBLE that
Mead built every ride except the Dayton .. but i don't believe it is PROBABLE. When a person lays their
hands on the actual Davis bicycles .. it is difficult to fathom the probability or certainty that these parts
are Mead spinoffs.

i totally respect your right to believe that Davis bicycles (excluding the Dayton) were built in Chicago by
Mead .. and i will defend your right to say that very thing in this country.

BUT ... others, including myself, believe otherwise. And, that's okay !! The truth that we seek will always
be filtered thru our perceptions ... and conceptions.

ONLY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS have i accepted that humans actually walked on the Moon. That concept was
forged back in 1969, when this country was very involved in the liberation of Vietnam. My thinking was full of
the kind of thought that produced statements like, "How the heck could we place a person on the Moon ... con-
sidering the cost ... when we are spendin' all kinds of money in 'Nam ?!!"

AND NOW ... i totally believe that our Space Program has placed a rover on the panet, Mars. Perhaps a personal
leap of Faith ... maybe.

ANYHOW... let's look at some illustrations ..........

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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
4,331
Fairborn, Ohio
CHRIS ... almost forgot ... the Davis, pin-spanner nut has been observed ONLY on the 1918
H-D bicycle ... and it has a different thread pitch and outer diameter than those produced by
other companies, like Fauber, or Mead.

.......patric
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sm2501

CABE owner
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System Administrator
May 21, 2006
3,435
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www.thecabe.com
Someone mentioned earlier maybe we need a Mead thread, I think we do. Why? Well, how much do we actually know about the Mead company except they were a huge mail order outfit that marketed bicycles very well. But were they a manufacturer? Or were they an assembler? My thoughts they were assemblers. We know through the 30's and beyond they were buying bikes from Schwinn, Columbia and Manton Smith, and used their own color and labled them as Meads.

Isn't it more probable Davis sold Mead frames, forks and other sundries and Mead painted and assembled to make their own bikes. I have always heard that Mead bought manufacturers overstock and assembled them to be Meads. Maybe a old wives tale, but then again maybe not.

Let us learn...Mead experts speak up, I know I need the education.
 

chitown

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jun 21, 2010
2,924
Prospect Heights, United States
Patric,
Being part Danish has made it easier for me to embrace a good Viking flick now and then. My "liking" of Mead has more to do with my initial research on George Lewis who founded the Monark Silver King co. What I like more than a particular company like Mead or Monark Silver King or Schwinn's for that matter is finding out the history. I think it is easy to jump to the conclusion that Davis made the HD bike. But if it weren't for the sprocket, there is nothing Davis built about them.

If Davis built all these bikes for Sears, why did they (Davis) go out of business? Sears continued to sell bikes. Who got those contracts after Davis? Why would Davis join the American Bicycle Association in 1918 and go against the "Mail Order" side of the bike business? Why would Davis offer 1/2" pitch chains to Sears and yet offer a skip-tooth on their house brand Dayton bikes?

As to your point about the 1918 Mead "Repair Fork" not showing the detail you need to prove it's a Harley fork, please remember that that drawing is no bigger than my thumb. You will also notice that the threads are drawn as straight lines and not oval as it "should" appear. And the point about the top plate having a greater amount of angled portion to the bottom 2 plates, they are the same plates as each others, just flip the middle one and you've got the magic HD fork. My scribbles are not done to exact scale or proportions, only used to visualize how that fork was made.
 
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Flat Tire

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Feb 24, 2007
2,054
Blanchester, ohio United States
Well they sure do look similar, I wonder if HD had a hand in the design and construction of the HD bike ? Since they had already been building motorcycles for 15 years. Its easy to conclude DSM made the HD bicycles ......according to Harley Davidsons own archives there was a signed contract with DSM to produce, sell and deliver the main components to Milwaukee. I'm sure they must have visited the Davis factory before entering into such a deal, and if DSM contracted with Mead to help fill orders they surely would have had to have approval from HD. And maybe they did, but theres no mention of it anywhere.

But the main reason that I believe the HDs were Davis made is because Davis Sewing Machine had its own Baseball Team, and if you gots yer own ball team, you dont need no help building bikes....

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Flat Tire

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Feb 24, 2007
2,054
Blanchester, ohio United States
Heres a good pic of the HD fork, now check out that front fender hanger, or what ever it is...doesnt look homemade but I've never seen one. I had pics from the side but cant find em....those brackets bend around and go under each side of the fender...

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bike

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 26, 2007
6,845
Bicycleland
Wow

CHRIS (chitown) ... Many things are possible .. but not as many things are probable. It is POSSIBLE that
Mead built every ride except the Dayton .. but i don't believe it is PROBABLE. When a person lays their
,,,,

ANYHOW... let's look at some illustrations ..........
WOW! LYNN let you put that in the Living Room?????????????????!@!@$VFKJ_)-90340-00!
 
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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
4,331
Fairborn, Ohio
C'mon, Now !!!

BIKE ... no WOW necessary ... that H-D is not in MY living room ... it's in Flat Tire's living room
or the pic of it is. Who's on First ?

...... patric
 

okozzy

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Mar 31, 2011
882
Upland, United States
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Someone mentioned earlier maybe we need a Mead thread, I think we do.
 
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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
4,331
Fairborn, Ohio
EnlargeDayton badges ... Thank you to sm2501 ............ page 8 ... entry line #72

THANK YOU, sm2501, for enlarging those Dayton badges for me ...page 8 of this thread .. entry #72 !!!

.............. patric

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1918 H-D factory fotos .. top .. Model B-1 Military .. bottom .. Model 4-18 Motorcyke  001.jpg


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hoofhearted

Saint Lactose The Tolerant
Jan 20, 2010
4,331
Fairborn, Ohio
Last entry submitted itself ... believe it or not.

HOLY CRAP ... that last memo was anxious to get posted .... forgot to mention that
in these recent pics ... that Yale bicycle is a Shelby-Built YALE.
 
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