Archie Sturmer
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Looks more like a 1938-C\E.
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Looks more like a 1938-C\E.
Mercian
I live for the CABE
Hi Arfsaidthebee,
Archie hits it on the head, C120562, E6. A june 1938 made frame, but the bike was built up in September or after (there are September frames with lower serial numbers known). I have a couple of other Progressive Cycle Co. bikes listed, both Comet badged, never seen a Bengal.
C63380, E6. Also a June 1938, built up in July 1938. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/n...t-special.128603/#lg=attachment781550&slide=0
F93052, H4 an April 1941 frame. Post 120. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/westfield-frame-numbers-1933-1945.100743/page-12#post-1266708
Thanks for posting this, and the other details you've sent by PM, there's a longer reply there.
Best Regards,
Adrian
Archie hits it on the head, C120562, E6. A june 1938 made frame, but the bike was built up in September or after (there are September frames with lower serial numbers known). I have a couple of other Progressive Cycle Co. bikes listed, both Comet badged, never seen a Bengal.
C63380, E6. Also a June 1938, built up in July 1938. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/n...t-special.128603/#lg=attachment781550&slide=0
F93052, H4 an April 1941 frame. Post 120. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/westfield-frame-numbers-1933-1945.100743/page-12#post-1266708
Thanks for posting this, and the other details you've sent by PM, there's a longer reply there.
Best Regards,
Adrian
genesmachines
Finally riding a big boys bike
Heres my offering: A 1936 Columbus by Westfield. Serial #A118457, C7. It has a Morrow rear hub with date code F3. It has neat United States Giant Chain Tread No. 778 tires that need help, ANY IDEAS ON BRINGING THE TIRES BACK so they could be pliable and hold air for display?
Mercian
I live for the CABE
Hi @genesmachines
Thanks for publishing details, now added to the list.
Serial A118457, C7, is as you say, a1936 bike, the framewas built in July 36, and the bike built up soon after. The Morrow hub is nice, F3 is Quarter 3 1936, so it's almost certainly the original for this bike.
A118585, C7 is the closest survivor Ihave recorded. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1930s-no-frills-westfield-elgin-motobike.147430/#post-994123
M78528 from mid 1934 is the only othe Columbus I have recorded, also a Women's bike. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/need-help-columbia-ladies-bike-dating.167741/
My first advice for working on the tyres, is to take the wheels off on a nice sunny day, and leave them out in the sun to get hot,hotter the better, because they will be flexible.
If they are tubed tyres, and the tubes are OK, inflate gently not hard, but enough for the tubes to form the tyre back to shape. Otherwise remove the tyres carefully from the rims, replace the tubes with new ones, clean the interior of the tyres, and remount them, then inflate gently as above.
Once you have a decent shape, take them somewhere cooler, and put the wheels back on the bike, with the bike upside down to allow the tyres to cool in the new shape. Once fully cool (next day?), you should be able to inflate a little harder, but watch out for cracking.
Best Regards,
Adrian
Thanks for publishing details, now added to the list.
Serial A118457, C7, is as you say, a1936 bike, the framewas built in July 36, and the bike built up soon after. The Morrow hub is nice, F3 is Quarter 3 1936, so it's almost certainly the original for this bike.
A118585, C7 is the closest survivor Ihave recorded. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1930s-no-frills-westfield-elgin-motobike.147430/#post-994123
M78528 from mid 1934 is the only othe Columbus I have recorded, also a Women's bike. https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/need-help-columbia-ladies-bike-dating.167741/
My first advice for working on the tyres, is to take the wheels off on a nice sunny day, and leave them out in the sun to get hot,hotter the better, because they will be flexible.
If they are tubed tyres, and the tubes are OK, inflate gently not hard, but enough for the tubes to form the tyre back to shape. Otherwise remove the tyres carefully from the rims, replace the tubes with new ones, clean the interior of the tyres, and remount them, then inflate gently as above.
Once you have a decent shape, take them somewhere cooler, and put the wheels back on the bike, with the bike upside down to allow the tyres to cool in the new shape. Once fully cool (next day?), you should be able to inflate a little harder, but watch out for cracking.
Best Regards,
Adrian
genesmachines
Finally riding a big boys bike
thanks for the info. the tires will have to be a New Years resolution. Won't be much heat in central NY for about 8 months. I have been using John Deere Ultra Guard rubber treatment on tires so will prep them with that, can't hurt. Thanks again, Gene
genesmachines
Finally riding a big boys bike
Heres another, I am not good at Ids, no head badge. Serial #E62064, G3. There is also a stamp on rear drop left side setting on bike of 35 with a "dead" F. Its a "special deluxe" with metal skirt guards.
Mercian
I live for the CABE
Hi @genesmachines
I appreciate your posting this too. Every little bit of information helps build a fuller picture.
E62064 G3. The frame was made in March 1940, but the bicycle wasn't built up until June 1940 (the serial number is bracketed by serial numbers with G6 dated frames). The 35F I don't recognise. It might e a police stamp in case it got stolen, or something else entirely.
It's in really nice condition. Looks like 1/2 inch chain, unusual at that time in the US. Shame if the headbadge is missing, but I can see a witness mark from it. If you post that up, it could help indicate what the original badge was.
Thiis ladies 'The Sterling' (April 1940 frame) looks very similar, even down to the badge shape, so perhaps one of these (post 4)? https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/the-sterling-what-is-it.181336/
Best Regards,
Adrian
I appreciate your posting this too. Every little bit of information helps build a fuller picture.
E62064 G3. The frame was made in March 1940, but the bicycle wasn't built up until June 1940 (the serial number is bracketed by serial numbers with G6 dated frames). The 35F I don't recognise. It might e a police stamp in case it got stolen, or something else entirely.
It's in really nice condition. Looks like 1/2 inch chain, unusual at that time in the US. Shame if the headbadge is missing, but I can see a witness mark from it. If you post that up, it could help indicate what the original badge was.
Thiis ladies 'The Sterling' (April 1940 frame) looks very similar, even down to the badge shape, so perhaps one of these (post 4)? https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/the-sterling-what-is-it.181336/
Best Regards,
Adrian
von_hansel
On Training Wheels
Since this site helped me date code my newly acquired Westfield, I figured I would add to this forum.
Here is my patina Feb (J2) '42 Westfield with a New Departure Model D hub. The serial number is G45112
Now onto finding a chain guard. Let me know if you notice anything else I am missing.
Cheers,
Johnny
Here is my patina Feb (J2) '42 Westfield with a New Departure Model D hub. The serial number is G45112
Now onto finding a chain guard. Let me know if you notice anything else I am missing.
Cheers,
Johnny
Mercian
I live for the CABE
Dear Johnny @von_hansel
Thanks for providing details of this bike.
The screen shot above gives you an idea of where it fits into known survivors.
Since it is in the middle of a batch of G519 military bicycles, and is the same style frame it is worth your while checking to see if there is an M stamped just before the G. Sometimes the stamping can be very light. The nearest known survivor is a G519 MG45133 / J2, sold on Ebay earlier this year, hence the poor photos. The second shows the M marking to look for.
What is the badge on the frame?
Otherwise, if there is no M, then it is an interesting Civillian bike made in the middle of military production, and before the Sports Tourist 'Victory' frames came in only a few thousand frames later.
Please let us konw what you find either way, thanks.
Given that only 1000 or fewer frames later they are using J3, then I think yours was built late February 1942.
This is the last civillian bike of that style I have recorded G48953/J2, but it it's restored, and honestly may be over equipped in comparison to how it left the factory, so it may not be a good example to copy. It does have the same chain wheel as yours.
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Best Regards,
Adrian
Thanks for providing details of this bike.
The screen shot above gives you an idea of where it fits into known survivors.
Since it is in the middle of a batch of G519 military bicycles, and is the same style frame it is worth your while checking to see if there is an M stamped just before the G. Sometimes the stamping can be very light. The nearest known survivor is a G519 MG45133 / J2, sold on Ebay earlier this year, hence the poor photos. The second shows the M marking to look for.
What is the badge on the frame?
Otherwise, if there is no M, then it is an interesting Civillian bike made in the middle of military production, and before the Sports Tourist 'Victory' frames came in only a few thousand frames later.
Please let us konw what you find either way, thanks.
Given that only 1000 or fewer frames later they are using J3, then I think yours was built late February 1942.
This is the last civillian bike of that style I have recorded G48953/J2, but it it's restored, and honestly may be over equipped in comparison to how it left the factory, so it may not be a good example to copy. It does have the same chain wheel as yours.
1942 Columbia | Classic Balloon Tire Bicycles 1933-1965
I have a 1942 Columbia . Im painting and stripping some drop center rims . I think itll look more original . Pretty nice so far, as I all I started with was frame and front fender . So matching everything blue turned out to be pretty easy . Heres my questions for the pros out there . Why is my...
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Adrian
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